David Edgar Forcibly Arrested!
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Mr Whippy said:
Mr Whippy said:
...TRUE FACTS?
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All facts are true, by definition...
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My quote to DVD's post further up,
DVD said:
until such time as the TRUE FACTS ARE KNOW when at such time
Hehe
Pendant mode off or whatever
Dave
... but YOU still wrote it in your reply.
You have nicely demonstrated that things should not be taken at face value though...
www.notsoaccurate.com
I dont believe much of that, what few facts there are are so obviously presented and exaggerated from such a viewpoint that the writers own agenda is bleedin' obvious. I reckon that you could go through that line by line, rewrite it and present it from totally the opposite viewpoint without much difficulty.
It would be interesting to find out what really happened and compare it to the textbook tabloid sensationalist story as told here.
Apart from the guy was taken away by police and he may have been poorly recently, I dont buy any of it.
I dont believe much of that, what few facts there are are so obviously presented and exaggerated from such a viewpoint that the writers own agenda is bleedin' obvious. I reckon that you could go through that line by line, rewrite it and present it from totally the opposite viewpoint without much difficulty.
It would be interesting to find out what really happened and compare it to the textbook tabloid sensationalist story as told here.
Apart from the guy was taken away by police and he may have been poorly recently, I dont buy any of it.
modernbeat said:
Nope, a fact is something that may be proved true or false, as in not an opinion.
dictionary said:
1. Knowledge or information based on real occurrences: an account based on fact; a blur of fact and fancy.
2a. Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed: Genetic engineering is now a fact. That Chaucer was a real person is an undisputed fact.
b. A real occurrence; an event: had to prove the facts of the case.
c. Something believed to be true or real: a document
laced with mistaken facts.
3. A thing that has been done, especially a crime: an accessory before the fact.
4. In Law. The aspect of a case at law comprising events determined by evidence: The jury made a finding of fact.
Are you having a laugh? 
Balmoral Green said:
www.notsoaccurate.com
I dont believe much of that, what few facts there are are so obviously presented and exaggerated from such a viewpoint that the writers own agenda is bleedin' obvious. I reckon that you could go through that line by line, rewrite it and present it from totally the opposite viewpoint without much difficulty.
It would be interesting to find out what really happened and compare it to the textbook tabloid sensationalist story as told here.
Apart from the guy was taken away by police and he may have been poorly recently, I dont buy any of it.
I have to agree!
After reading the website I'd say theres more than a little bit of artistic license
Especially the account of his arrest!Following the beaten path off topic ... I thought facts were things that were accepted as being true. There's an implication that somebody is doing the accepting - and the acceptance may vary from person to person and vary over time. If you can pursuade me that something is true, then from my point of view that becomes an established fact. Until the next person changes my mind ...
gone said:
Jumping to some very fast conclusions here chaps!
Unconscious?
Was he in need of help?
Has he been arrested or a kindly neighbour not hearing from him for some time reported a fear for welfare?
Has he committed a criminal offence?
Is he a drug dealer?
Well, in the third photograph you can see the handcuffs (It's obvious if you scale the photograph x 2 or x 3)
So the Police are dragging a handcuffed unconcious pensioner into a car.
We supposed to be impressed by this ?
gone said:
Looks like they are uniformed Polie not Stazi as Mrs Cat refers!
They behave like them. I agree with Mrs Cat.
Actually you are wrong though. Police respect is not at an all time low because of these sort of actions.
Police respect is at an all time low because of the "any excuse will do" approach of "gone" ; something his thugs don't actually extend to anyone else.
True story. An aquaintance of mine worked in a school. Two disgruntled ex staff members made an allegation against her that she had roughly handled pupils.
Plod's response was for FOUR of them to turn up in full gear in the classroom.
Needless to say, she has not been charged with anything.
The Police will happily victimise people if it suits them.
Plod's response was for FOUR of them to turn up in full gear in the classroom.
Needless to say, she has not been charged with anything.
The Police will happily victimise people if it suits them.
The chance of "true facts" coming out is minimal. I've seen the full text of an IPCC "investigation".
First the Force being investigated told the person they could not make a complaint, they had to go to the IPCC to get this overturned. Then the IPCC gave the investigation to the same force who refused to investigate it.
The "investigation" consisted of taking statements from the Police Officers concerned and concluding "well, yours is different to theirs so theirs is right". It did not include (for example) viewing footage of the incident captured by TV cameras which directly contradicted the statements of the Policemen.
Any investigation performed by either the people being investigated or their cronies is a waste of time. They just whitewash it.
This lot used to torture confessions out of people. Guess how many convictions or even *charges* for anything at all .... none.
First the Force being investigated told the person they could not make a complaint, they had to go to the IPCC to get this overturned. Then the IPCC gave the investigation to the same force who refused to investigate it.
The "investigation" consisted of taking statements from the Police Officers concerned and concluding "well, yours is different to theirs so theirs is right". It did not include (for example) viewing footage of the incident captured by TV cameras which directly contradicted the statements of the Policemen.
Any investigation performed by either the people being investigated or their cronies is a waste of time. They just whitewash it.
This lot used to torture confessions out of people. Guess how many convictions or even *charges* for anything at all .... none.
los angeles said:Gareth, have a look at the following PH stories here:
Forgive my ignorance, who is this guy and what is his "video evidence"? Many thanks. LA
www.pistonheads.com/search.asp?s=edgar&d=0
timsta said:
er... how many other people have CCTV at their house...?
I'm beginning to think; not enough people.
Yeah...suddenly the expense looks worthwhile!
My 2p, having read all of this and looked at the pics - I think someone used a very thin excuse / trumped-up charge to arrest Mr Edgars (I would be surprised if it turned out to be a fully legit arrest, but equally surprised if the coppers weren't operating under some sort of orders from on-high), and I think Mr E is playing it for all he can.
But we don't have enough facts. What we do have is a man who is fighting the system VERY hard, and scoring some points, who has all-of-a-sudden been arrested by police breaking into his house, and who APPEARS to have been dragged out unconscious. On appearances, it looks wrong, but lets see what the official excuse, sorry I mean official word, is on these events.
What does worry me is the fact that they can do this - they clearly knew they were going to the house a frail man approaching retirement age, yet somehow he lost consciousness after their entry to the house?!? And he was loaded into the back of a police car rather unceremoniously, not into an ambulance! Shades of West Mids Serious Crime Squad here, perhaps???
havoc said:
Podie said:
er... how many other people have CCTV at their house...?
I'm beginning to think; not enough people.
Yeah...suddenly the expense looks worthwhile!
er.. that wasn't my point.. I was saying why does he feel the need to have CCTV at his house, and doesn't any one else think it's a bit odd that he has film of everything..?
As I said earlier in this thread, something doesn't quite add up here in my mind...
Podie said:Ummmm - maybe it's because he knew the establishment wasn't going to play by the rules?
timsta said:
Podie said:
er... how many other people have CCTV at their house...?
I'm beginning to think; not enough people.
Yeah...suddenly the expense looks worthwhile!
er.. that wasn't my point.. I was saying why does he feel the need to have CCTV at his house, and doesn't any one else think it's a bit odd that he has film of everything..?
As I said earlier in this thread, something doesn't quite add up here in my mind...
puggit said:
Ummmm - maybe it's because he knew the establishment wasn't going to play by the rules?
Now why would that be...?
Balmoral Green said:
If he has CCTV, then why not show the pics of all this alleged Police abuse?
Pic 1. Two coppers at the door.
Pics 2 & 3, Him resisting detainment being put in the car.
So no smoking gun at all then.
Inclined to agree...
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