WARNING - Boring topic ! Local council road speeds
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ARHarh said:
DoubleD said:
Did they class 31mph as speeding when they did this?
Not sure but I do believe 31 mph in a 30 mph limit is speeding 
Why do people think 33 mph in a 30 is not speeding? I know you are unlikely to be prosecuted for it but it is still speeding.
As you know, there is a huge difference in safety between someone doing 31mph and someone doing say 50mph or more. If most people are speeding at 31mph (and that 1mph might have only been for a few seconds) then that's not really much of an issue, but if most are going much faster, then it is.
The figures need breaking down before we all get over excited and go full Daily Mail on it.
ARHarh said:
Why do people think speeding through villages is OK? where I live they did a survey in a local village. It was done during the day, on a Wednesday for 4 hours. 72% of traffic travelling north broke the speed limit and only 86% going south exceeded the limit. If this was happening in your pleasant little cul de sac in suburbia would you be happy about it? Yes I know they bough a house in that position and in the old days there was no limit so they should not be complaining. This is not about restricting the excitement of racing on the roads its about safety. The more people who speed in these places, the more people get upset by it and the more speed restrictions you get.
The main issue the OP has stated is caused by a massive lack of visibility rather than a problem of speed. Reducing the speed only mitigates the issue but doesn't solve it. Changing visibility at the driveway is the answer.Cyrus1971 said:
The 60 limit proceeded us buying by years. It was 40 when we bought it. It's not for the enjoyment of my property (which to use your I woz 'ere first approach was built 40 years before the invention of the internal combustion engine) It is genuinely dangerous. I can't quantify that as a word but I can qualify it. 3 times in 3 years I have nudged out in a sensible fashion and cyclysts have swerved in to oncoming on other carriageway, been hit by a bus wing mirror and had several cars going at over the limit slam on the breaks and dramatically stop 5 ft from my drivers door. It has all the ingredients of an accident to come but it seems the formula on setting limits has quite a lot of room for judgement in ti. Judgement that is set at the moment agains lowering unless 3 people get killed in one spot.
What happened to a pro-active approach ?
Get one of those bendy mirrors? They work surprisingly well.What happened to a pro-active approach ?
Problem is that it isn’t really a village - it’s a collection houses that people have built on fairly busy road. There’s no “centre”, just to odd driveway. Pretty much every road in the country should be s 30 by that logic.
100 is clearly too fast, but those guys will still do 100 whether it is a 30 or a 40. If you’re going 60 over the limit, you might as well make it 70,.
rxe said:
Get one of those bendy mirrors? They work surprisingly well.
Problem is that it isn’t really a village - it’s a collection houses that people have built on fairly busy road. There’s no “centre”, just to odd driveway. Pretty much every road in the country should be s 30 by that logic.
100 is clearly too fast, but those guys will still do 100 whether it is a 30 or a 40. If you’re going 60 over the limit, you might as well make it 70,.
I think he said they've put a mirror up but was taken down as it's a conservation area. Problem is that it isn’t really a village - it’s a collection houses that people have built on fairly busy road. There’s no “centre”, just to odd driveway. Pretty much every road in the country should be s 30 by that logic.
100 is clearly too fast, but those guys will still do 100 whether it is a 30 or a 40. If you’re going 60 over the limit, you might as well make it 70,.
Practical option: get together with neigbours and buy a couple of trailers or cheap vans. Park/immobilise them on the road in suitable positions.
This worked well in a village near me that wanted to discourage excess hgv traffic and I would imagine that it could help you.
In our village the council refused a 20mph limit past the school, we tried and in the end they agreed to a speed monitoring exercise. By a strange coincidence the county did some minor works just up the road at the same time - traffic lights etc. Normally they do bog all without being moaned at for years but in this one case they did repairs without any prompting....
This worked well in a village near me that wanted to discourage excess hgv traffic and I would imagine that it could help you.
In our village the council refused a 20mph limit past the school, we tried and in the end they agreed to a speed monitoring exercise. By a strange coincidence the county did some minor works just up the road at the same time - traffic lights etc. Normally they do bog all without being moaned at for years but in this one case they did repairs without any prompting....
Edited by TooLateForAName on Sunday 25th August 17:51
Cyrus1971 said:
I think these were probably organ donors (sorry Motorcyclists) zipping about like MadMax and thinking they are cool in some way.
With this sort of comment I can see your problem. You're a nimby - everybody else has to suffer because you're selfish, as well as a moron. Grow a pair and either move house or deal with the lack of view by cutting your hedge or redesigning your wall so you can see. Edited by seveb on Monday 26th August 11:01
OP, you might live near me. Lovely road into a village that's been NSL for as long as people can remember. Someone moves in and immediately decides that speeds are too high. A lot of the village drive/ride sports vehicles. They now use the new 40mph limit as a cue to use the gears to slow down, naturally with a lot of noise. The only people who suffer are a local dirtbike track (obviously they don't care) and the NIMBY who decided decades of pleasant natural speed reduction once the area started to build up wasn't enough.
They're now complaining because cars are too noisy going past. The council set up a camera and found that less than 0.03% of drivers were breaking the speed limit, with even less than 0.01% a prosecutable offence (i.e. 0.03% coming in a little hot and perhaps doing 42mph instead of 40 when they cross the camera). It wasn't worth their time to stay camped there, particularly as it was a low traffic area. That 0.01% probably equates to about 3 cars over the course of a week.
They're now complaining because cars are too noisy going past. The council set up a camera and found that less than 0.03% of drivers were breaking the speed limit, with even less than 0.01% a prosecutable offence (i.e. 0.03% coming in a little hot and perhaps doing 42mph instead of 40 when they cross the camera). It wasn't worth their time to stay camped there, particularly as it was a low traffic area. That 0.01% probably equates to about 3 cars over the course of a week.
Cyrus1971 said:
phil4 said:
I don't believe you've said why you think 30mph is more appropriate?
There are 7 houses, 4 drives and the visibility splays (for oncoming traffic) is awful from all of them. Plus only 1 pavement exactly 35'' wide. I have been clipped by a bus wing mirror and the road is too dangerous to walk along despite said pavement. The danger is the inevitability of hitting a cyclist or car as one emerges from a drive onto the road. It's a conservation area so I have been told by the council I can't put a mirror up and in fact they take down any that get tried. If all else fails, contact your MP and explain the predicament, they might be able to do something.
meatballs said:
rxe said:
Get one of those bendy mirrors? They work surprisingly well.
Problem is that it isn’t really a village - it’s a collection houses that people have built on fairly busy road. There’s no “centre”, just to odd driveway. Pretty much every road in the country should be s 30 by that logic.
100 is clearly too fast, but those guys will still do 100 whether it is a 30 or a 40. If you’re going 60 over the limit, you might as well make it 70,.
I think he said they've put a mirror up but was taken down as it's a conservation area. Problem is that it isn’t really a village - it’s a collection houses that people have built on fairly busy road. There’s no “centre”, just to odd driveway. Pretty much every road in the country should be s 30 by that logic.
100 is clearly too fast, but those guys will still do 100 whether it is a 30 or a 40. If you’re going 60 over the limit, you might as well make it 70,.
seveb said:
Cyrus1971 said:
I think these were probably organ donors (sorry Motorcyclists) zipping about like MadMax and thinking they are cool in some way.
With this sort of comment I can see your problem. You're a nimby - everybody else has to suffer because you're selfish, as well as a moron. Grow a pair and either move house or deal with the lack of view by cutting your hedge or redesigning your wall so you can see. Edited by seveb on Monday 26th August 11:01
Organ donors - well if someone rides a bike at 100 mph in a 40 zone headed into a village then yes. Not just 1 off's either - the data set I have shows over 100 bikes in 1 week at over 70 mph. The noise they make is also a nuisance for about 1 KM around them.
Moron ? Guilty as charged clearly.
Cyrus1971 said:
Bendy mirror would be perfect, there is even a telegraph pole to put it on but it's a conservation area and a previous bendy mirror was instructed by the council to be removed. The drive way "design" lets call it is in a 10ft high wall that was built in the 1870's and is also part of the conservation area and a listed building nearby precludes alteration.
I'd challenge the bendy mirror ruling. There's nothing architecturally significant on that road and a bendy mirror is removable. Stick it back up and ask them if they want to be responsible for the death and destruction it they take it down. Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff