Other driver pranged barrier while overtaking.
Discussion
popeyewhite said:
super7 said:
So if the OP's wife is driving along, the bus in front pulls into a stop and leaves it's back end hanging out, what's she supposed to do?
1. Brake, avoid hitting the back of the bus.2. Check there's noone to her side, indicate, pull out to pass. Ooops.
Torquey said:
popeyewhite said:
super7 said:
So if the OP's wife is driving along, the bus in front pulls into a stop and leaves it's back end hanging out, what's she supposed to do?
1. Brake, avoid hitting the back of the bus.2. Check there's noone to her side, indicate, pull out to pass. Ooops.
It's pretty basic really.I have no doubt the OP's wife wasn't checking her mirrors on a periodic basis, otherwise she would have known how many cars were likely behind her and their difference in relative speed, but....
I do wonder if the responses around who is to blame would be identical if outcome swapped and the wife crashed into the bus, because her overtake was blocked by the 4x4?
(Everyone was taught in their to check their mirrors BEFORE PLANNING any upcoming overtaking manoeuvre, and not as a passing thought, just as they are turning the wheel)
I do wonder if the responses around who is to blame would be identical if outcome swapped and the wife crashed into the bus, because her overtake was blocked by the 4x4?
(Everyone was taught in their to check their mirrors BEFORE PLANNING any upcoming overtaking manoeuvre, and not as a passing thought, just as they are turning the wheel)
Edited by Hol on Tuesday 21st January 11:51
Torquey said:
I thought this stuff was taught in driving lessons?
If only there was somewhere to find out.. highway code said:
If you need to change lane, first use your mirrors and if necessary take a quick sideways glance What blind spot to make sure you will not force another road user to change course or speed. When it is safe to do so, signal to indicate your intentions to other road users and when clear, move over.
Graveworm said:
Torquey said:
I thought this stuff was taught in driving lessons?
If only there was somewhere to find out.. highway code said:
If you need to change lane, first use your mirrors and if necessary take a quick sideways glance What blind spot to make sure you will not force another road user to change course or speed. When it is safe to do so, signal to indicate your intentions to other road users and when clear, move over.
This talk of "changing lanes" seems a bit off too, it read to me like she had to avoid a bit of the bus that was sticking out, so not a full lane change where the car ends up in a different marked lane but a swerve partly over the line and back to the original lane which was a Single carriageway.
The guy behind failed to read the road or did so and thought he had a chance to get past both bus and woman in car.
Its on him, he crashed himself.
could be 4x4 hadnt been paying attention , going a bit quick for the situation , mrs indicated and pulled put and he roared into the barrier instead of hitting the car because he couldnt stop in time?
could be all sorts of things , i guess let the insurance decide what else can you do
could be all sorts of things , i guess let the insurance decide what else can you do
Getragdogleg said:
If slick in the 4X4 had hit the back of the OP's wife's car who would be to blame ?
This talk of "changing lanes" seems a bit off too, it read to me like she had to avoid a bit of the bus that was sticking out, so not a full lane change where the car ends up in a different marked lane but a swerve partly over the line and back to the original lane which was a Single carriageway.
The guy behind failed to read the road or did so and thought he had a chance to get past both bus and woman in car.
Its on him, he crashed himself.
Partly over the line is OK then? How does that differ if the car established in that lane still doesn't have enough room, the only difference was the 4x4 had room to hit a barrier rather than the other car. Are you saying that, on a motorway, if I broadside you but stay partly in my lane that's your fault, especially if its because the car in front of me did not leave my lane as quickly as I would have liked so I just nipped around them? This talk of "changing lanes" seems a bit off too, it read to me like she had to avoid a bit of the bus that was sticking out, so not a full lane change where the car ends up in a different marked lane but a swerve partly over the line and back to the original lane which was a Single carriageway.
The guy behind failed to read the road or did so and thought he had a chance to get past both bus and woman in car.
Its on him, he crashed himself.
Edited by Graveworm on Tuesday 21st January 12:04
steveo3002 said:
could be 4x4 hadnt been paying attention , going a bit quick for the situation , mrs indicated and pulled put and he roared into the barrier instead of hitting the car because he couldnt stop in time?
could be all sorts of things , i guess let the insurance decide what else can you do
So in that scenario she didn't cause the 4x4 to alter course or speed? could be all sorts of things , i guess let the insurance decide what else can you do
Graveworm said:
Partly over the line is OK then? How does that differ if the car established in that lane still doesn't have enough room, the only difference was the 4x4 had room to hit a barrier rather than the other car. Are you saying that, on a motorway, if I broadside you but stay partly in my lane that's your fault, especially if its because the car in front of me did not leave my lane as quickly as I would have liked so I just nipped around them?
It differs because on a motorway you would be changing lanes. here the only lane going in that direction has a bus blocking some of it so the chances are high the car in front will swerve a bit to get past. Edited by Graveworm on Tuesday 21st January 12:04
Much like the 4X4 did but just didn't have room.
This is not a lane change but an avoidance of a VERY visible thing, the guy in the 4x4 did not use due care.
The google maps location of the accdent site would be the only thing at this point that can advance this argument past the "what if" stage.
Graveworm said:
steveo3002 said:
could be 4x4 hadnt been paying attention , going a bit quick for the situation , mrs indicated and pulled put and he roared into the barrier instead of hitting the car because he couldnt stop in time?
could be all sorts of things , i guess let the insurance decide what else can you do
So in that scenario she didn't cause the 4x4 to alter course or speed? could be all sorts of things , i guess let the insurance decide what else can you do
Torquey said:
Norfolk B-roads said:
LosingGrip said:
RTC due to the actions of the OPs wife.
100%.IMO it is the fault of the OP's wife. What if it had a been a police car or Ambulance overtaking? It sounds like something went wrong with the Mirror, signal, manoeuvre process. And I believe you should not cause another vehicle to change their speed or direction when changing lanes.
My guess would be a 50/50 insurance claim if there are no dashcams involved though.
In fact it quite scary for those that say "100% the muppet overtakers fault". As long as you're alright Jack.
Was he on his phone? Not paying attention? Was she established in the lane?
If she was in lane and he’s ran off the road to avoid her that’s his fault.
If she has moved over and he has swerved off to avoid her (which seems unlikely if the cars didn’t touch), it’s her fault.
With no contact I’d be of the mind to tell him to do one, but then why on earth would the OP stop?
Doesn’t add up.
Getragdogleg said:
It differs because on a motorway you would be changing lanes. here the only lane going in that direction has a bus blocking some of it so the chances are high the car in front will swerve a bit to get past.
Much like the 4X4 did but just didn't have room.
This is not a lane change but an avoidance of a VERY visible thing, the guy in the 4x4 did not use due care.
The google maps location of the accdent site would be the only thing at this point that can advance this argument past the "what if" stage.
OK but there are 2 lanes here clear for a mile we are told. If no one is coming the other way, why does moving over to pass a stationary bus give complete priority and permit, pulling out into the path of an overtaking vehicle already established in that lane? The 4x4 may well have not used due care, that does not make the OP's wife blameless or preclude either of them from blame . What you seem to be saying is because there are clues that the car may well pull out that the only party to blame is the 4x4 that missed or ignored that possibility, not the car that pulled out? Much like the 4X4 did but just didn't have room.
This is not a lane change but an avoidance of a VERY visible thing, the guy in the 4x4 did not use due care.
The google maps location of the accdent site would be the only thing at this point that can advance this argument past the "what if" stage.
Getragdogleg said:
If he had stayed behind her and simply followed her past the bus then none of this would have happened.
Yes and if she had waited for him to complete his pass, before pulling out it wouldn't either. Buses stop all the time, if it does not inconvenience people we pass them, if it does we wait until it doesn't or the bus moves off. Edited by Graveworm on Tuesday 21st January 12:31
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