Green light, unlit turn right arrow underneath.
Discussion
NGee said:
There is no such thing as a red arrow, if they wanted to control the right turn separately there would need to be a second set of three lights for the turn.
I could be wrong but didn't someone post a picture of one a while back, and in the UK?OP I used to use a set of lights in London where the filter only came on at certain times of day... Was annoying to be sat behind someone going through a full cycle before realising. Never saw anyone sit through two cycles though.
Durzel said:
What is the delay between the green and filter light coming on? Half a minute maybe, at most?
OP is right but raging out over something he wasn’t even sure about does speak volumes imo. On the scale of things people do on the road that are dumb or uneducated this ranks pretty low for me.
Irritating, yes, but you could do some deep breathing relaxation exercises in that ~30 seconds.
Like it has been stated sometimes the filter lights wont even come on, secondly I have already explained myself about the road rage incident on page 2 I believe, not my proudest moment but hey, we move.OP is right but raging out over something he wasn’t even sure about does speak volumes imo. On the scale of things people do on the road that are dumb or uneducated this ranks pretty low for me.
Irritating, yes, but you could do some deep breathing relaxation exercises in that ~30 seconds.
Like previously stated no words were actually exchanged, it was me kind of swearing in the car and talking alot of bs to myself inside my own car, I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one that's ever done that.
Beeping at someone thats stationary at a green light, well I'm not sure about what anyone else will do, but If someone is blocking traffic and the light comes on green, after 10 seconds of being stationary i come to a conclusion that theire either on their phone, or are completely not paying attention, and this might upset a couple people here but I will keep on doing it.
Nampahc Niloc said:
Personally see no problem with a short beep if someone is not moving at a green light. I’ve had to do it a few times and usually followed by an apologetic wave from the car in front. Sometimes people have just become distracted while waiting for the lights to change.
Exactly that mate 
Durzel said:
What is the delay between the green and filter light coming on? Half a minute maybe, at most?
OP is right but raging out over something he wasn’t even sure about does speak volumes imo. On the scale of things people do on the road that are dumb or uneducated this ranks pretty low for me.
Irritating, yes, but you could do some deep breathing relaxation exercises in that ~30 seconds.
On one set of lights near us the green arrow only lights on every other change (as far as I can make out), so the guy the op was sat behind would have to wait for 2 changes to be able to go. Also the green arrow is only on for a few seconds, about enough for 2 cars, so the Op's nemesis could hold up quite a few people.OP is right but raging out over something he wasn’t even sure about does speak volumes imo. On the scale of things people do on the road that are dumb or uneducated this ranks pretty low for me.
Irritating, yes, but you could do some deep breathing relaxation exercises in that ~30 seconds.
blueg33 said:
Durzel said:
What is the delay between the green and filter light coming on? Half a minute maybe, at most?
OP is right but raging out over something he wasn’t even sure about does speak volumes imo. On the scale of things people do on the road that are dumb or uneducated this ranks pretty low for me.
Irritating, yes, but you could do some deep breathing relaxation exercises in that ~30 seconds.
On one set of lights near us the green arrow only lights on every other change (as far as I can make out), so the guy the op was sat behind would have to wait for 2 changes to be able to go. Also the green arrow is only on for a few seconds, about enough for 2 cars, so the Op's nemesis could hold up quite a few people.OP is right but raging out over something he wasn’t even sure about does speak volumes imo. On the scale of things people do on the road that are dumb or uneducated this ranks pretty low for me.
Irritating, yes, but you could do some deep breathing relaxation exercises in that ~30 seconds.
Pothole said:
Hold them up?!?!? OMG!!!!!!!!!!! HOW DARE THEY?!?!?!? Very, VERY few people really need to be anywhere so urgently that even 5 minutes will make a material difference at their destination. Most of those who do drive vehicles equipped with blue flashing lights and sirens. We could all do with leaving a little more time for our journeys and being a lot more patient. The roads, and the world, would be a far more pleasant place.
So why do people fail their driving test because they hold people up when they should have proceeded?HC said:
Rule 144: Road users MUST NOT:
3. Drive without reasonable consideration for other road users.
(is someone causing delay not showing consideration for others?)3. Drive without reasonable consideration for other road users.
If everybody didn't move when the lights say they can, then we would have more congestion - traffic needs to flow not sit there because someone is incompetent. Using your logic it would be fine to hold people up for 5 mins at every junction - so on my drive to work with 10 junctions, I could be 50 minutes later than normal.
I agree patience is a virtue, but the privilege to drive means that a level of competence has to be shown, along with an awareness that others are using the road too.
blueg33 said:
Pothole said:
Hold them up?!?!? OMG!!!!!!!!!!! HOW DARE THEY?!?!?!? Very, VERY few people really need to be anywhere so urgently that even 5 minutes will make a material difference at their destination. Most of those who do drive vehicles equipped with blue flashing lights and sirens. We could all do with leaving a little more time for our journeys and being a lot more patient. The roads, and the world, would be a far more pleasant place.
So why do people fail their driving test because they hold people up when they should have proceeded?HC said:
Rule 144: Road users MUST NOT:
3. Drive without reasonable consideration for other road users.
(is someone causing delay not showing consideration for others?)3. Drive without reasonable consideration for other road users.
If everybody didn't move when the lights say they can, then we would have more congestion - traffic needs to flow not sit there because someone is incompetent. Using your logic it would be fine to hold people up for 5 mins at every junction - so on my drive to work with 10 junctions, I could be 50 minutes later than normal.
I agree patience is a virtue, but the privilege to drive means that a level of competence has to be shown, along with an awareness that others are using the road too.
Pothole said:
Find me an example of a test fail in this specific scenario and your comment will be relevant. You can't, so it's not. Your extrapolation of my logic defies logic.
You are wrong. As an ex driving instructor I can assure you that they WILL fail pupils for not making reasonable progress. I had a couple of pupils who decided to drive 'cautiously' rather than how they had been taught, and both failed.Obviously I can't prove this, I don't have have their test report (although I did see it at the time) or anything else and it was about 5 years ago. But it happened, whether you choose to believe me or not is up to you, I don't care!
NGee said:
Pothole said:
Find me an example of a test fail in this specific scenario and your comment will be relevant. You can't, so it's not. Your extrapolation of my logic defies logic.
You are wrong. As an ex driving instructor I can assure you that they WILL fail pupils for not making reasonable progress. I had a couple of pupils who decided to drive 'cautiously' rather than how they had been taught, and both failed.Obviously I can't prove this, I don't have have their test report (although I did see it at the time) or anything else and it was about 5 years ago. But it happened, whether you choose to believe me or not is up to you, I don't care!
Sadly, Mr/Mrs/Ms P, always demands empirical evidence even though he knows it’s not the sort of thing that has masses of public data.
Item 20 on the driving test score sheet covers inappropriate speed and undue hesitation. In this section you can be failed for hesitation as well as for driving too slowly.
Section 17 covers understanding of and response to traffic signs and signals. This section also provides for a major, ie, a fail.
If Pothole wants the evidence he can look up the info himself.
Section 17 covers understanding of and response to traffic signs and signals. This section also provides for a major, ie, a fail.
If Pothole wants the evidence he can look up the info himself.
blueg33 said:
Item 20 on the driving test score sheet covers inappropriate speed and undue hesitation. In this section you can be failed for hesitation as well as for driving too slowly.
Section 17 covers understanding of and response to traffic signs and signals. This section also provides for a major, ie, a fail.
If Pothole wants the evidence he can look up the info himself.
The traffic signal relating to the right turn lane is the right turn green arrow. A driver can only respond to it if it is lit. Surely.Section 17 covers understanding of and response to traffic signs and signals. This section also provides for a major, ie, a fail.
If Pothole wants the evidence he can look up the info himself.
Pothole said:
blueg33 said:
Item 20 on the driving test score sheet covers inappropriate speed and undue hesitation. In this section you can be failed for hesitation as well as for driving too slowly.
Section 17 covers understanding of and response to traffic signs and signals. This section also provides for a major, ie, a fail.
If Pothole wants the evidence he can look up the info himself.
The traffic signal relating to the right turn lane is the right turn green arrow. A driver can only respond to it if it is lit. Surely.Section 17 covers understanding of and response to traffic signs and signals. This section also provides for a major, ie, a fail.
If Pothole wants the evidence he can look up the info himself.
Pothole said:
The traffic signal relating to the right turn lane is the right turn green arrow. A driver can only respond to it if it is lit. Surely.
Don't tell me you are one of those idiots who wait at a green light when there is no green arrow lit? Oh dear oh dear.
At least you spelt "surely" correctly, so thankful for small mercies.
Pothole said:
blueg33 said:
Item 20 on the driving test score sheet covers inappropriate speed and undue hesitation. In this section you can be failed for hesitation as well as for driving too slowly.
Section 17 covers understanding of and response to traffic signs and signals. This section also provides for a major, ie, a fail.
If Pothole wants the evidence he can look up the info himself.
The traffic signal relating to the right turn lane is the right turn green arrow. A driver can only respond to it if it is lit. Surely.Section 17 covers understanding of and response to traffic signs and signals. This section also provides for a major, ie, a fail.
If Pothole wants the evidence he can look up the info himself.
Pothole said:
The traffic signal relating to the right turn lane is the right turn green arrow. A driver can only respond to it if it is lit. Surely.
Well that's one giant leap! You've gone from saying that we should all be more patient, to showing a complete mis-understanding of the basic principle of how traffic lights work!!
If you can't be bothered to read what has already been explained in this thread, or don't believe it to be true, then I think a trip to the Highway Code would be in order.
Unfortunately, here in Stirling, the council have now started to assist the hard of thinking by arranging for filter lane lights to activate even when there is no traffic requiring them. This is causing delays as traffic in the opposite direction has to stop to allow the invisible vehicles to pass!
It's annoying at the best of times, but particularly when returning home from a night shift at 6.30am when you are stopped to allow two lanes of non-existent traffic to exit from Tesco...
It's annoying at the best of times, but particularly when returning home from a night shift at 6.30am when you are stopped to allow two lanes of non-existent traffic to exit from Tesco...
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