RE: UK's longest speed trap goes live
Discussion
All I can see is more people with their eyes OFF the road looking at their speedo and trying not to go too fast, while taking their eyes off the hazards that make this road dangerous in the first place, like sudden weather changes and poor junctions.
I can see more accidents because of this imho, and I'm sure the relatives of those dead have a right to sue the arse holes who implemented this with the idea it'd make the road safer.
Never seen such a stupid idea, and then using victims deaths as a moral excuse for doing it.
Sick bastards
Re-engineer the roads and have variable limits enforced by a few Plod who are dedicated to that road.
I bet accidents would drop massively using that system, but oh, it costs money
I'm sure the victims families would prefer a system that works, and not one that just makes money using the lost lives as an excuse Sickening.
Dave
I can see more accidents because of this imho, and I'm sure the relatives of those dead have a right to sue the arse holes who implemented this with the idea it'd make the road safer.
Never seen such a stupid idea, and then using victims deaths as a moral excuse for doing it.
Sick bastards
Re-engineer the roads and have variable limits enforced by a few Plod who are dedicated to that road.
I bet accidents would drop massively using that system, but oh, it costs money
I'm sure the victims families would prefer a system that works, and not one that just makes money using the lost lives as an excuse
Sickening. Dave
As first reported by my eagle eye'd self:
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=10&t=182846
And as a few people have pointed out that road was notorious. however the dangerous section has now been rebuilt (comprehensivley) as a motorway.
the section that the Specs is on is one of the safer parts (its 4 lane barrier seperated dual carridgeway).
I'm still trying to work out WHY they were put there. I can't see a safety benefit anywhere.
I have but one question, if you're front number plate has fallen off can you get caught.
I.e. do they have a reversionary rearward facing CCTV system off which they can take recorded footage and nab you later even if you're front plate has fallen off.
Andy
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=10&t=182846
And as a few people have pointed out that road was notorious. however the dangerous section has now been rebuilt (comprehensivley) as a motorway.
the section that the Specs is on is one of the safer parts (its 4 lane barrier seperated dual carridgeway).
I'm still trying to work out WHY they were put there. I can't see a safety benefit anywhere.
I have but one question, if you're front number plate has fallen off can you get caught.
I.e. do they have a reversionary rearward facing CCTV system off which they can take recorded footage and nab you later even if you're front plate has fallen off.
Andy
andytk said:
As first reported by my eagle eye'd self:
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=10&t=182846
And as a few people have pointed out that road was notorious. however the dangerous section has now been rebuilt (comprehensivley) as a motorway.
the section that the Specs is on is one of the safer parts (its 4 lane barrier seperated dual carridgeway).
I'm still trying to work out WHY they were put there. I can't see a safety benefit anywhere.
I have but one question, if you're front number plate has fallen off can you get caught.
I.e. do they have a reversionary rearward facing CCTV system off which they can take recorded footage and nab you later even if you're front plate has fallen off.
Andy
Or if a Tesco bag has blown onto the front of your car and partially obscured the front plate - a Tesco bag with a bit of chewing gum on it so that it stays there, maybe!
safespeed said:
Do these read your front or rear number plate?
I own a bike, so it'd be interesting to know!
Front facing only. You'll be fine on a bike.
This is frequently said, but is it guaranteed that the camera facing the other way on the other side of the road will only record number plates of vehicles on the other side of the road? Since there isn't an opaque barrier down the middle of the road at a pair of cameras, I see no obvious reason for confidence.
(Not that it makes much difference where my bike is involved
) cooperman said:
As first reported by my eagle eye'd self:
<a href="www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=10&t=182846">www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=10&t=182846</a>
And as a few people have pointed out that road was notorious. however the dangerous section has now been rebuilt (comprehensivley) as a motorway.
the section that the Specs is on is one of the safer parts (its 4 lane barrier seperated dual carridgeway).
I'm still trying to work out WHY they were put there. I can't see a safety benefit anywhere.
I have but one question, if you're front number plate has fallen off can you get caught.
I.e. do they have a reversionary rearward facing CCTV system off which they can take recorded footage and nab you later even if you're front plate has fallen off.
Andy
Or if a Tesco bag has blown onto the front of your car and partially obscured the front plate - a Tesco bag with a bit of chewing gum on it so that it stays there, maybe!
Sorry about the overestimate bit - I realised my mistake after I had left the office.
What is the current penalty for not having front plate, my brother (who used to regularly lose them on his Elise) reckoned it was only about £30 and no points?
If so, it's a bargin.
These bloody camera annoy me. Luckily, I haven't been down there for a while. But I did see them before they went live.
The stretch leading southbound from symington down to the dutchead roundabout is dead straight, downhill, and from the top, you can see the traffic on the roundabout!! How is that a dangerous stretch?? The dangerous bit is the Dondonald/Tarbolton road junction at Symington. Its bloody lethal. No sign of them spending £775,000 to make that bit safer.
The stretch from the Dutchead Roundabout to the Whitletts Roundabout. I drove it pretty much every day last year, didn't see one accident. I understand the Sandyford Toll roundabout was installed a few years ago because of too many accidents at the junction there, but it was similar to the junction at Symington.
I didn't see specs on the Whitletts-Holmstone stretch which is another VERY dangerous piece of road. It is JUST wide enough to be 2 lanes each way, but it is only single carriageway, the result is people overtaking with their wheels over the white line while traffic is coming the other way. The problem arises when someone else has the same idea and they meet in the middle!!
I dont tend to travel much south of Ayr so cant really comment on that stretch.
IMO there is only one solution to the accident problems which are suffered on the A77. That solution is to rip up the current road, and turn the A77 into a 3 lane M77 between Pollokshaws (Junction 1) and Stranraer. No stupid junctions, no roundabouts (which are always backing up at peak) proper graded interchanges.
Admitedly, the upgrade between Fenwick and Glasgow has worked wonders, I haven't been held up at all since it opened. One slight problem though, the Stretch between Fenwick and the Galston Road Flyover is SINKING
The stretch leading southbound from symington down to the dutchead roundabout is dead straight, downhill, and from the top, you can see the traffic on the roundabout!! How is that a dangerous stretch?? The dangerous bit is the Dondonald/Tarbolton road junction at Symington. Its bloody lethal. No sign of them spending £775,000 to make that bit safer.
The stretch from the Dutchead Roundabout to the Whitletts Roundabout. I drove it pretty much every day last year, didn't see one accident. I understand the Sandyford Toll roundabout was installed a few years ago because of too many accidents at the junction there, but it was similar to the junction at Symington.
I didn't see specs on the Whitletts-Holmstone stretch which is another VERY dangerous piece of road. It is JUST wide enough to be 2 lanes each way, but it is only single carriageway, the result is people overtaking with their wheels over the white line while traffic is coming the other way. The problem arises when someone else has the same idea and they meet in the middle!!
I dont tend to travel much south of Ayr so cant really comment on that stretch.
IMO there is only one solution to the accident problems which are suffered on the A77. That solution is to rip up the current road, and turn the A77 into a 3 lane M77 between Pollokshaws (Junction 1) and Stranraer. No stupid junctions, no roundabouts (which are always backing up at peak) proper graded interchanges.
Admitedly, the upgrade between Fenwick and Glasgow has worked wonders, I haven't been held up at all since it opened. One slight problem though, the Stretch between Fenwick and the Galston Road Flyover is SINKING
safespeed said:
Can I have some more details please? I really need a sketch map showing road type, speed limit approx position of camera clusters and lengths of section.
There's NO REALISTIC POSSIBILITY that they will enforce between clusters. I'm very concerned that they are effectively bullshitting that they might. Bullshit costs lives.
The distance between the clusters is substantial in places, the cluster length are substantial as well. From the 2 clusters that I have seen I can stick the details on a map for you. The road is a dual carriagway, NSL. the clusters are between the roundabouts on the section at Ayr. Haven't been as far as Maybole since they were put up!
cdp said:
[quote=cooperman]
What is the current penalty for not having front plate, my brother (who used to regularly lose them on his Elise) reckoned it was only about £30 and no points?
If so, it's a bargin.
The no points bit is correct. The fine is anything up to £1000 but typically £50.
These are the sort of things that I have made it my business to find out since the cameras decided that I was a criminal.
I can think of one absolutely solid reason for the government doing this - it is almost a foregone conclusion that accidents resulting in death will drop on the A77 as a whole...mostly from the fact that the frightening single carriageway 4 lane bit from the M77 to Prestwick has been made dual carriageway. There were so many head-ons here it was long overdue. PR-wise, the gov will say, "Look, A77 cameras in, deaths down, case closed, ain't we great!" even though the cameras aren't on the the bits of the A77 which were accident blackspots.
Sorry to be cynical, but Jeeeez!
Sorry to be cynical, but Jeeeez!
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