"Offical Warning" from the Police
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Nibbles_bits said:
NFT said:
Sounds like Warning could be something to do with going 70 on wet roads with aquaplaning/skid risk whilst too close to car ahead to stop in time leading to an avoidable crash from that.
Think its just to have on file for future use if she crashes again or hits someone.
Perhaps time to have her on skid pad for a bit so she can handle loosing and regaining control if she's going to do limit in the wet, my worst fear is OH gets hurt/killed.
"Approximately" 70mph. No amount of skid pan training would have changed the outcome. Think its just to have on file for future use if she crashes again or hits someone.
Perhaps time to have her on skid pad for a bit so she can handle loosing and regaining control if she's going to do limit in the wet, my worst fear is OH gets hurt/killed.
Fortunately Mrs didn't make any steering adjustments prior to the collision.
The outcome would likely have been much worse if she had.
It might be "on file"....but for what purpose?
It can't be used in any decision making by the Police on how any future RTC that my landlady is involved in is dealt with.
Bigends said:
Nibbles_bits said:
NFT said:
Sounds like Warning could be something to do with going 70 on wet roads with aquaplaning/skid risk whilst too close to car ahead to stop in time leading to an avoidable crash from that.
Think its just to have on file for future use if she crashes again or hits someone.
Perhaps time to have her on skid pad for a bit so she can handle loosing and regaining control if she's going to do limit in the wet, my worst fear is OH gets hurt/killed.
"Approximately" 70mph. No amount of skid pan training would have changed the outcome. Think its just to have on file for future use if she crashes again or hits someone.
Perhaps time to have her on skid pad for a bit so she can handle loosing and regaining control if she's going to do limit in the wet, my worst fear is OH gets hurt/killed.
Fortunately Mrs didn't make any steering adjustments prior to the collision.
The outcome would likely have been much worse if she had.
It might be "on file"....but for what purpose?
It can't be used in any decision making by the Police on how any future RTC that my landlady is involved in is dealt with.
Erm CRaSH??
Because it most definitely would not be on PNC. And even if it was on PND, it's not relevant for any future incidents.
Nibbles_bits said:
Yes, exactly.
Erm CRaSH??
Because it most definitely would not be on PNC. And even if it was on PND, it's not relevant for any future incidents.
Is there anywhere you can search within your remit to see if this is an applied , legitimate or approved policy.Erm CRaSH??
Because it most definitely would not be on PNC. And even if it was on PND, it's not relevant for any future incidents.
I have no idea of how the Police system works internally, but if it has been issued then surely there would be a policy or procedure that dictates when it is given and under what circumstances.
One question (you don't have to answer but I'll ask) is that are different depts policies available to be seen and read?., so can say, the Dog section read, cross ref and scrutinise Traffic Section's remit and procedures?.
texaxile said:
Is there anywhere you can search within your remit to see if this is an applied , legitimate or approved policy.
I have no idea of how the Police system works internally, but if it has been issued then surely there would be a policy or procedure that dictates when it is given and under what circumstances.
One question (you don't have to answer but I'll ask) is that are different depts policies available to be seen and read?., so can say, the Dog section read, cross ref and scrutinise Traffic Section's remit and procedures?.
Most Force policies are available to the public. I just have access to restricted material. I have no idea of how the Police system works internally, but if it has been issued then surely there would be a policy or procedure that dictates when it is given and under what circumstances.
One question (you don't have to answer but I'll ask) is that are different depts policies available to be seen and read?., so can say, the Dog section read, cross ref and scrutinise Traffic Section's remit and procedures?.
The Force Policy just states that a warning letter can be issued. It doesn't say where it's recorded or how it's used.
a quick google and it seems you are not the only one...
https://www.immigrationboards.com/british-citizens...
Was this bit at the bottom on yours?
Extracts from the police file can be made available to you or your representative upon payment of a mandatory fee, should they be required. Any applicant for such information should be made to the Collision Process Unit at XXXX Police Station, quoting the reference shown above.
Details of the owner of vehicle registration number XXXXXXX are as follows………………………”
https://www.immigrationboards.com/british-citizens...
Was this bit at the bottom on yours?
Extracts from the police file can be made available to you or your representative upon payment of a mandatory fee, should they be required. Any applicant for such information should be made to the Collision Process Unit at XXXX Police Station, quoting the reference shown above.
Details of the owner of vehicle registration number XXXXXXX are as follows………………………”
Vanden Saab said:
a quick google and it seems you are not the only one...
https://www.immigrationboards.com/british-citizens...
Was this bit at the bottom on yours?
Extracts from the police file can be made available to you or your representative upon payment of a mandatory fee, should they be required. Any applicant for such information should be made to the Collision Process Unit at XXXX Police Station, quoting the reference shown above.
Details of the owner of vehicle registration number XXXXXXX are as follows………………………”
The letter was similar in that thread, but doesn't include what you've written.https://www.immigrationboards.com/british-citizens...
Was this bit at the bottom on yours?
Extracts from the police file can be made available to you or your representative upon payment of a mandatory fee, should they be required. Any applicant for such information should be made to the Collision Process Unit at XXXX Police Station, quoting the reference shown above.
Details of the owner of vehicle registration number XXXXXXX are as follows………………………”
Edit - it also doesn't read "Should further evidence comw to light, we reserve the right to reconsider the position.
Also - It’s not a Police Caution, Warning or Penalty Notice (a caution and a warning in this context are the same thing) - so wouldn't need to be declared for British Citizenship application (or anything else for that matter)
Edited by Nibbles_bits on Saturday 11th November 23:22
Edited by Nibbles_bits on Saturday 11th November 23:27
From that same Immigration forum -
"I have made a phone call to the police. They checked again the accident and the warning letter in their system, and they assured me it's not a criminal record and it is just a letter to ask me to be careful when driving in the future".
So it appears, as previously posted, it's an officious letter reminding Mrs Nibbles_bits of something she is already aware of.
Nice to see my force (and others) spending their time and budget wisely.
If only there was another, free, publication that was available to road users
"I have made a phone call to the police. They checked again the accident and the warning letter in their system, and they assured me it's not a criminal record and it is just a letter to ask me to be careful when driving in the future".
So it appears, as previously posted, it's an officious letter reminding Mrs Nibbles_bits of something she is already aware of.
Nice to see my force (and others) spending their time and budget wisely.
If only there was another, free, publication that was available to road users
agtlaw said:
turbobloke said:
Amateurish said:
You have to accept a caution.
Correct, and the police don't always point out that agreement to accept an official Caution is an admission of guilt.I know what should happen, and I know of and respect your expertise, however, you can't be present in every custody situation up and down the country every day for the past 20 years (obviously) and as police - just like lawyers and other professions - are neither infallible nor perfect, it might be better to read posts at face value and, when lacking any evidence around the specific situation described, accept that direct experience of family members trumps theory about what should happen every time inclyding this one.
It seems to be the way organisations in this country communicate.
I received something similar after a car accident years ago, "we believe you are guilty but we have no evidence whatsoever...".
More recently I got a letter from HMRC with big bold letters stating "You owe lots of tax!". Hidden away on the second page, "You contacted us 6 months and are paying it through adjustment of your tax code...".
I received something similar after a car accident years ago, "we believe you are guilty but we have no evidence whatsoever...".
More recently I got a letter from HMRC with big bold letters stating "You owe lots of tax!". Hidden away on the second page, "You contacted us 6 months and are paying it through adjustment of your tax code...".
turbobloke said:
agtlaw said:
turbobloke said:
Amateurish said:
You have to accept a caution.
Correct, and the police don't always point out that agreement to accept an official Caution is an admission of guilt.I know what should happen, and I know of and respect your expertise, however, you can't be present in every custody situation up and down the country every day for the past 20 years (obviously) and as police - just like lawyers and other professions - are neither infallible nor perfect, it might be better to read posts at face value and, when lacking any evidence around the specific situation described, accept that direct experience of family members trumps theory about what should happen every time inclyding this one.
Unless you received the Caution or were there in some capacity, how would you, yourself, know what was or wasn't said in Custody??
My experience is - I'll discuss the available disposal options with the legal rep, prior to interview. That discussion will take place again post interview with the DP.
To be offered a Caution, you have to, at some point, have admitted the offence.
I you, a family member did accept a Caution, and don't believe you/they admitted guilt, or it wasn't explained - I hope you complained. Because everything at the custody bridge is recorded.
turbobloke said:
agtlaw said:
turbobloke said:
Amateurish said:
You have to accept a caution.
Correct, and the police don't always point out that agreement to accept an official Caution is an admission of guilt.I know what should happen, and I know of and respect your expertise, however, you can't be present in every custody situation up and down the country every day for the past 20 years (obviously) and as police - just like lawyers and other professions - are neither infallible nor perfect, it might be better to read posts at face value and, when lacking any evidence around the specific situation described, accept that direct experience of family members trumps theory about what should happen every time inclyding this one.
Black_S3 said:
Mr Miata said:
Is it a Notice of Intended Prosecution (NIP)?
If not… I’d be filing it in the bin.
I’d go with the bin as well. It means nothing and if you make an issue of it maybe something like some dash cam footage shows up and it turns into a nip.If not… I’d be filing it in the bin.
Nibbles_bits said:
Black_S3 said:
Mr Miata said:
Is it a Notice of Intended Prosecution (NIP)?
If not… I’d be filing it in the bin.
I’d go with the bin as well. It means nothing and if you make an issue of it maybe something like some dash cam footage shows up and it turns into a nip.If not… I’d be filing it in the bin.
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