All hail the new AI speed camera

[KTMsm]

Geffg said:

it would be better to drive round on false plates as the penalty for that seems to be less than being caught doing something whilst all legit.

It is - thousands have been doing this for 20+ years

It's why they tried to make buying a plate harder - yet you can still buy them online without docs - and why people steal your number plates

[119]

KTMsm said:

Geffg said:

it would be better to drive round on false plates as the penalty for that seems to be less than being caught doing something whilst all legit.

It is - thousands have been doing this for 20+ years

I'd be interested to see a source for this information, although i suspect most are from the North.

[55palfers]

Let's hope it's initially deployed on all the sections of "smart" motorways where the detection of broken down vehicles is still very patchy.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/02/01/smart-...

[ARHarh]

NFT said:

Bill said:

FMOB said:

So an all singing dance camera for speeding, seat belt and phone use detection at the same time

https://www.wiltshiretimes.co.uk/news/24138542.dri...

Not wearing seat belt - fined up to £500 plus up to 2 penalty points.
Using a phone while driving - fine of £200 plus 6 penalty points.
Speeding - fixed penalty fine £100 plus 3 penalty points.

Damn, you would nearly be off the road under totting up procedure from a single camera.

Deservedly so...

You forgot:

Resting head on hand, indistinguishably from using/being on the phone - Through hell to prove/fine of £200 plus 6 penalty points.

Friend had this issue, new Divisional officer swore blind he "went past on the phone." and reported it, then they would not have it that he just drove resting his head on hand, and came up with the idea that it never mattered if he was making a call at the time, as he could have been holding it there, or listening to a message stored on the phone, so he ended up taking the "damage", fearing worse if done in court.

Justice at its best, more drivers to face that fate with this AI camera I guess.

Why would you drive resting your head on your hand? I can't remember ever feeling the need to do that.

[CLK-GTR]

ARHarh said:

Why would you drive resting your head on your hand? I can't remember ever feeling the need to do that.

That's irrelevant. Resting your head on your hand is not a crime whether you feel the need to do it or not, if the cameras can't distinguish between the two they shouldn't be used.

[21TonyK]

Terminator X said:

Someone should set fire to them.

TX.

Didn't realise you were a local

[Simpo Two]

vonhosen said:

FMOB said:

I don't condone driving without a seat belt on or using a mobile phone but adding AI means the seat belt and phone are probably just the start of what could be detected using a camera. A clean licence is rapidly becoming an endangered species.

Rubbish.

DVLA figures show that about 95% of licence holders have zero penalty points.

Points per mile travelled would be more representative. Many people will have a licence but drive rarely if at all.

Anyway, I shall be immune from two offences as I always wear a seat belt and hate mobile phones so even if it's with me, it's switched off in the boot.

But what about bananas eh? Is it an offence to eat a banana, and how good is the AI camera at identifying fruit varieties? If it has a mass spectrometer it could fine you for farting too.

[FMOB]

Simpo Two said:

vonhosen said:

FMOB said:

I don't condone driving without a seat belt on or using a mobile phone but adding AI means the seat belt and phone are probably just the start of what could be detected using a camera. A clean licence is rapidly becoming an endangered species.

Rubbish.

DVLA figures show that about 95% of licence holders have zero penalty points.

Points per mile travelled would be more representative. Many people will have a licence but drive rarely if at all.

Anyway, I shall be immune from two offences as I always wear a seat belt and hate mobile phones so even if it's with me, it's switched off in the boot.

But what about bananas eh? Is it an offence to eat a banana, and how good is the AI camera at identifying fruit varieties? If it has a mass spectrometer it could fine you for farting too.

I think now about the time to start quoting Mark Twain...

There are 3 kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.

[Ultra Sound Guy]

Simpo Two said:

If it has a mass spectrometer it could fine you for farting too.

Don’t go giving them ideas!
At least we’ll know who to blame when it happens!

[Dave Finney]

Ultra Sound Guy said:

Simpo Two said:

If it has a mass spectrometer it could fine you for farting too.

Don’t go giving them ideas!
At least we’ll know who to blame when it happens!

If the equipment smelt it, the equipment dealt it!

[Biker 1]

Is chucking your fag butt out of the window illegal? They going to need a smoke detector in that camera too.

[Dave Finney]

vonhosen said:

DVLA.
If you don't fancy going to DVLA for that data sheets you can read about them here.
https://www.confused.com/car-insurance/penalty-poi...

Thanks for the link.
Found this:

Speeding offences
221,927 people (I think they mean convictions, not people?) were found guilty of a speed limit offence in 2022.

Speed awareness courses
1.64 million drivers (I think they mean places filled, not drivers?) attended a speed awareness course in the UK

So that's over 1.8 million citizens penalised (out of around 41 million) in a single year just for 1 motoring offence.

Plus: 2.4 million speed limit offences in England and Wales.
Maybe 25% of offenders never get prosecuted (was 40% in Thames Valley).

Found about 3/4 down this:
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/vehicle-s...

[NikBartlett]

Biker 1 said:

Is chucking your fag butt out of the window illegal? They going to need a smoke detector in that camera too.

Littering. Would be more than happy for AI to detect that offence

[helix402]

These cameras are not speed cameras. They have been used in Australia for several years. Research shows they have been hugely effective in reducing driver’s mobile phone use. All we need to do now is make driving using your phone socially unacceptable like drink driving. Which was once legal.

[KTMsm]

119 said:

I'd be interested to see a source for this information, although i suspect most are from the North.

Why do you think they tried to make it harder to get plates made ?

You must have heard of taxis accidentally getting digits transposed

You must have heard of cloning, you must have seen all the adverts with their number plates covered

A quick Google tells you there are hundreds of thousands of "misreads" on ANPR systems every day

[Sporky]

Geffg said:

Yet crime is on the up, drug related crime / deaths, stabbing, shootings etc are on the rise. Wouldn’t it be better use of resource and money to concentrate on sorting those issues out as I’m sure there must be more deaths and injuries from that than motorists cause.

Doesn't using an AI camera mean that "resources" can indeed be used elsewhere? It's not a police officer.

And these'll likely generate income, so more money to concentrate on the things you mentioned. Surely you should therefore be in favour?

[martinbiz]

helix402 said:

These cameras are not speed cameras. They have been used in Australia for several years. Research shows they have been hugely effective in reducing driver’s mobile phone use. All we need to do now is make driving using your phone socially unacceptable like drink driving. Which was once legal.

Driving whilst incapacitated through alcohol has never been legal, more accepted, probably yes

[helix402]

martinbiz said:

Driving whilst incapacitated through alcohol has never been legal, more accepted, probably yes

I meant drink driving legislation was introduced in the UK in 1967.

[FMOB]

helix402 said:

These cameras are not speed cameras. They have been used in Australia for several years. Research shows they have been hugely effective in reducing driver’s mobile phone use. All we need to do now is make driving using your phone socially unacceptable like drink driving. Which was once legal.

You are correct, the article doesn't mention speed so my bad but I would not be surprised in the least to find they have that capability if there are two fixed points in the camera field of view.

Compared to detecting a phone user or a missing seatbelt, measuring the speed of an object between 2 fixed points is a no brainer.

Wonder who provides the AI processing services for these things AWS, Google Cloud Services or someone else?

[vonhosen]

Simpo Two said:

vonhosen said:

FMOB said:

I don't condone driving without a seat belt on or using a mobile phone but adding AI means the seat belt and phone are probably just the start of what could be detected using a camera. A clean licence is rapidly becoming an endangered species.

Rubbish.

DVLA figures show that about 95% of licence holders have zero penalty points.

Points per mile travelled would be more representative. Many people will have a licence but drive rarely if at all.

Anyway, I shall be immune from two offences as I always wear a seat belt and hate mobile phones so even if it's with me, it's switched off in the boot.

But what about bananas eh? Is it an offence to eat a banana, and how good is the AI camera at identifying fruit varieties? If it has a mass spectrometer it could fine you for farting too.

He made the claim about licences.
I'm merely point out the facts which show that his hunch was incorrect & pointed him towards the data.