Police Forces to merge - Good or Bad idea?
Discussion
bluepolarbear said:But at least there IS a local store, and it IS open "8 'til late", which is more than our "local" has been these many years! The AA manages to turn out to incidents of all descriptions - but they provide a service, not a mockery of one. As for the National Grid, well there you are geting closer to a model. Just as the NG gets into every home, so this government wants to monitor your every movement ... but it will do it with scameras, not BiB!
I for one think it would be a good idea to reduce the number of forces to around 12.
From what i have seen, theres too much red tape restricting the way the job is done, with different types of equipment, individual force area boundarys, the different ways that crimes are investigated and the way that both process and prisoners are subsequently dealt with.
On the downside, a number of Chief Constables and 'other' high ranking Officers would have to move or lose their jobs but im not sure that this would be a bad thing
What do you think?
Should have happened a long time ago. Had a CC or one of his lakies on the telly the other morning saying it was a bad idea because "it would make hundreds of senior and experienced police officers redundant" - No sh1t sherlock - the guy would be dangerous if he had a few more brain cells.
The "local" argument is rubbish as well - is your local store any more local because it is part of a national chain? Does National Grid or the AA strugle to dispatch a rescue vehicle to your location because the call centre is hundreds of miles away?
The only concern is around why 12 forces? Is it only coicedence that the 12 forces map directly to the 12 EU regions covering the UK? It is not a precurser to a national force but an EU force.
Streaky
Edited to correct typo
>> Edited by streaky on Monday 26th December 05:17
I disagree, I work for a "service company" and have had to accept larger and larger areas over recent years. Someone, you should remember, has to have "local" knowledge" of where you live. "I" often don't even know where I'm going! except that it's near ........! on the A3..! Then I've got to fix a technical problem, specific to that installation, which I have no knowledge of!.....and never seen before.
The "top jobbies" are of course all in their (or someone else's) bed or at this time of year or in the southern hemisphere.....
My work affects local people directly.........24 hrs per day, every day, no breaks, throughout the year. Am I compensated for it or does the the CEO know of our value?............No! he hasn't a clue.....
Expand the Police Force in this way and it will be the same....anyone here remember the local village copper?......Nah, thought not!
It's the same old story of: "Knowing the cost of everything....And the value of nothing!"
>> Edited by 8Pack on Monday 26th December 04:00
The "top jobbies" are of course all in their (or someone else's) bed or at this time of year or in the southern hemisphere.....
My work affects local people directly.........24 hrs per day, every day, no breaks, throughout the year. Am I compensated for it or does the the CEO know of our value?............No! he hasn't a clue.....
Expand the Police Force in this way and it will be the same....anyone here remember the local village copper?......Nah, thought not!
It's the same old story of: "Knowing the cost of everything....And the value of nothing!"
>> Edited by 8Pack on Monday 26th December 04:00
bluepolarbear said:
Should have happened a long time ago. Had a CC or one of his lakies on the telly the other morning saying it was a bad idea because "it would make hundreds of senior and experienced police officers redundant" - No sh1t sherlock - the guy would be dangerous if he had a few more brain cells.
I have always had the impression with our "Police Service" that "senior" and "experienced" were too often mutually exclusive. Like in so much of modern Britain, getting the top is a mix of brown nosing and talking bullcrap, not the ability to either do Police work or manage Policemen effectively.
bluepolarbear said:
The "local" argument is rubbish as well - is your local store any more local because it is part of a national chain? Does National Grid or the AA strugle to dispatch a rescue vehicle to your location because the call centre is hundreds of miles away?
The first one's not really a sensible analogy, but the second one is better. However, you can leave the AA if you believe their service is lousy. It isn't possible to not pay the Police "Service".
People think, rightly, that centralisation will increase central control and decrease interest in local issues. However, people are perhaps unaware that control is centralised and the "Service" has no interest anyway AFAICS (not individual BiB but the entity).
The only concern is around why 12 forces? Is it only coicedence that the 12 forces map directly to the 12 EU regions covering the UK? It is not a precurser to a national force but an EU force.[/quote]
8Pack said:
Expand the Police Force in this way and it will be the same....anyone here remember the local village copper?......Nah, thought not!
It's the same old story of: "Knowing the cost of everything....And the value of nothing!"
>> Edited by 8Pack on Monday 26th December 04:00
I can, he used to live opposite. The only time I came in contact with him (being fairly law abiding) was he did the Cycling Proficiency Test when I was at school, exactly the kind of thing with supposedly "no value".
I understand that we are to have named BiB who are our area cops. Assuming this isn't all a complete NuLabor fabrication, I expect this will mean we have some form of contact with a named person who has maybe visited our area once or twice and is completely useless (like an email contact).
In theory it may be a good idea.
However I have grave doubts that this is anything to do with te efficiency of the local police force or otherwise. It is all about creating regions that control everything even though most areas don;t want them! How many people know that there is South East Rgion assembly based in Guildford? Who elected them? etc
Anything proposed by this government usually has an ulterior motive and is usually bad news. I suspect this plan is no different
However I have grave doubts that this is anything to do with te efficiency of the local police force or otherwise. It is all about creating regions that control everything even though most areas don;t want them! How many people know that there is South East Rgion assembly based in Guildford? Who elected them? etc
Anything proposed by this government usually has an ulterior motive and is usually bad news. I suspect this plan is no different
chrisgr31 said:
In theory it may be a good idea.
However I have grave doubts that this is anything to do with te efficiency of the local police force or otherwise. It is all about creating regions that control everything even though most areas don;t want them! How many people know that there is South East Rgion assembly based in Guildford? Who elected them? etc
Is there ? What does it do that isn't done by Surrey County Council, the Town Council, or Central Government ?
autismuk said:F*** all! What's more, it spends your money to even less avail. Read its guff at: www.southeast-ra.gov.uk/ - Streaky
In theory it may be a good idea.
However I have grave doubts that this is anything to do with te efficiency of the local police force or otherwise. It is all about creating regions that control everything even though most areas don;t want them! How many people know that there is South East Rgion assembly based in Guildford? Who elected them? etc
Is there ? What does it do that isn't done by Surrey County Council, the Town Council, or Central Government ?
autismuk said:
[quote=8Pack]
Expand the Police Force in this way and it will be the same....anyone here remember the local village copper?......Nah, thought not!
It's the same old story of: "Knowing the cost of everything....And the value of nothing!"
I can, he used to live opposite. The only time I came in contact with him (being fairly law abiding) was he did the Cycling Proficiency Test when I was at school, exactly the kind of thing with supposedly "no value".
I understand that we are to have named BiB who are our area cops. Assuming this isn't all a complete NuLabor fabrication, I expect this will mean we have some form of contact with a named person who has maybe visited our area once or twice and is completely useless (like an email contact).
Ist probably true - und more than likely plastic policemen
Und if ist like sopmething we read in Manchester paper last month - that PCSOs will be ditched as soon as tow year contract expires to balance GMP books (or rather to pay for the peeee-ceeee job ..
und that daft guide book whereby officers are not allowed to describe the prime suspect as "a bit - well - fat Ist all lip service...to dupe us to think "they have our interests at heart"
TonyRec said:
I for one think it would be a good idea to reduce the number of forces to around 12.
From what i have seen, theres too much red tape restricting the way the job is done, with different types of equipment, individual force area boundarys, the different ways that crimes are investigated and the way that both process and prisoners are subsequently dealt with.
On the downside, a number of Chief Constables and 'other' high ranking Officers would have to move or lose their jobs but im not sure that this would be a bad thing
What do you think?
Liebchen - why do you think this will cut the red tape. Ist more than likely to create more
Surely all ist needed ist to standardise the compueter system you use. I work for multinational company und we use same software computer system throughout und our system of work ist more or less standardised to set of general procedures with some leeway to explore of course - else we would not get new products through trial und licence -= und we design und trial thousands of drugs/medication - but only handful get licenced.
Will lead to more red tape und not sure we would be dealing with bobby with local knowledge. More than likely be like our banks und utility wallies :rsnting:
L:banhead: Banks are prime example
They close the local branch with the person who know you personally und understands your banking requirements. You have to call a central number und speak to someone who knows nothing about you or your account und they do not reslove problem und you then have to deal with someone else - und in meantime the direct debit you were trying to stop has gone through und you are then wasting hours trying to get the refund und the stop on the transaction Und heaven help you if you lose the little card in the process puggit said:
I think it will be a fine time for the politicos to remove the CCs they don't like (Durham anyone...).
I have reservations in that control centres might not understand the geography/dynamics of areas they are taking calls from (this is already creating problems for the fire service IIRC).
Liebchen - IG tell me PG thought it OK idea - but lieber IG ist not so sure. He has reservations - ist perhaps family influence
PG has reitred und they now have Jon Stoddart as CC. But in any case Durham met the deadline for return with the same blistering efficicncy und outlines its joint business plan with Northumberland - but Cleveland just does not want to join them.
But in any case - I agree und think we all agree that cetralised call centres are not such a good idea und we also have the problem of incompatbile softwarew for a long time after these mergers as we all know that software for computers ist most expensive to purchase und provide the training for. (Und we all recall teh fiasco with the passport offic etc
deltafox said:
Bad. Fat people cant move very quickly.
Liebchen
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