RE: Digital speed cameras arrive
Discussion
So, a few weeks ago they announced cameras NO LONGER needed to be yellow.
Now they're replacing GATSO's with smaller, higher, harder-to-spot cameras...
...does anyone spot a connection?
It is SO clearly about revenue...but they don't care as the government have 4 more years in power to really f'k us over before we can do anything!!!
Now they're replacing GATSO's with smaller, higher, harder-to-spot cameras...
...does anyone spot a connection?
It is SO clearly about revenue...but they don't care as the government have 4 more years in power to really f'k us over before we can do anything!!!
ISTR that when one of these was installed in Norwich the local rag reported that it had a live cctv link back to a control room, so if anyone attempted to vandalise it they could be recorded doing it.
Obviously the cctv only faces forward so anyone who does attempt to vanadlise it will need to conceal their identity and keep out of sight as much as possible by approaching from the rear, i.e
Obviously the cctv only faces forward so anyone who does attempt to vanadlise it will need to conceal their identity and keep out of sight as much as possible by approaching from the rear, i.e
How depressing. Scameras located correctly are a good thing, stopping idiots and the occasional mistake by us all, at critical locations, but there is obviously no doubt its all about revenue for our illustious government, to siphon off into Blair and co`s pension funds.
The French know how to complain, look what they have just achieved with their employment law. The only problem is, how many people read this website etc. We are just a tiny minority. Many others may agree with the sentiments of this thread, the reality is that much of the population do not even use cars, let alone get concerned about speeding offences etc.
I sound defeatist, but I think our freedom will go the way of the fox hunting brigade, whatever the right or wrongs may be.
The French know how to complain, look what they have just achieved with their employment law. The only problem is, how many people read this website etc. We are just a tiny minority. Many others may agree with the sentiments of this thread, the reality is that much of the population do not even use cars, let alone get concerned about speeding offences etc.
I sound defeatist, but I think our freedom will go the way of the fox hunting brigade, whatever the right or wrongs may be.
So these units don't rely on radar, but use sensors in the road. In terms of accuracy, I assume this is better, as you don't get false readings that radar sometimes gives due to reflection, side-slip or vibration. This must mean that the need for human review of photos to confirm the radar reading is not required, hence the automated process is made more efficient.
However, I'd like to know where the sensors are fitted in the road. Are they a long way before the camera so that it can prepare to take the photos and calculate the timing between frames? If you were to slow down after passing the sensors, would the calculated time between photos be incorrect, and thus give corrupted data? Or would there not be time to change your speed?
What would happen if you overtook a bike (motored or pedaled) as you passed the sensors? Or if there was a shopping trolley or other metal debris in the kerb?
The photos would still be necessary to prove the sensor readings, and the variable timing to my mind will make calculation harder, and proof of calibration of the camera timing unit of utmost importance.
However, I'd like to know where the sensors are fitted in the road. Are they a long way before the camera so that it can prepare to take the photos and calculate the timing between frames? If you were to slow down after passing the sensors, would the calculated time between photos be incorrect, and thus give corrupted data? Or would there not be time to change your speed?
What would happen if you overtook a bike (motored or pedaled) as you passed the sensors? Or if there was a shopping trolley or other metal debris in the kerb?
The photos would still be necessary to prove the sensor readings, and the variable timing to my mind will make calculation harder, and proof of calibration of the camera timing unit of utmost importance.
CTE said:
How depressing. Scameras located correctly are a good thing, stopping idiots and the occasional mistake by us all, at critical locations, but there is obviously no doubt its all about revenue for our illustious government, to siphon off into Blair and co`s pension funds.
The French know how to complain, look what they have just achieved with their employment law. The only problem is, how many people read this website etc. We are just a tiny minority. Many others may agree with the sentiments of this thread, the reality is that much of the population do not even use cars, let alone get concerned about speeding offences etc.
I sound defeatist, but I think our freedom will go the way of the fox hunting brigade, whatever the right or wrongs may be.
I think the word you're looking for is apathy. Just look where the fuel protests got us...
People do care...but the majority who can make a difference no longer believe in the political process and want out. The rest continue to vote for the biggest bunch of corrupt hypocrits whilst relaxing at home living off our taxes.
I also fully condone any kind of vandalising or destruction of all (new or old) cameras
As has been said there must be a way to hack these new digital money-raising scameras
. Or even prevent them from working like one of those devices that scramble the signal from your TV remote. If someone has the skills it will be done - and I'd be happy to fork out some cash to aid anyone who does find 'the way'.
purpleperil said:
Looks exactly like a red light camera they've installed in Chilwell in Notts. Does anyone know if they are being used to do both speed and light jumping? I always slow down for it but loads of people seem to speed through when the lights are on green!
>> Edited by purpleperil on Tuesday 11th April 11:25
There's a couple on Colwick loop road as well and I wonder the same thing. My g/f swears blind that they do both red light jumping (which IMHO is a bigger problem in Nottingham than gun crime) and speeding and claims to have seen the camera flash when the lights are on green.
On the other hand my Indago doesn't flag them up and I subscribe to allegedly the best scamera database in Europe (Enigma) with it.
I haven't had the cajones to trust the Indago yet, nor whether it only gets agitated going through SPECS zones if your average speed through the zone is faster than the average speed you are allowed, or whether it goes off when you breach the limit at all
And something else that annoys me:
www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/StreamingMedia/safety_cam/safety_cam_HIGH.wmv
Because speed is the only thing that could kill you on a straight section of road! Of course, everything would be so much safer with people slamming on their brakes and watching their dials with the introduction of a camera.
www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/StreamingMedia/safety_cam/safety_cam_HIGH.wmv
Because speed is the only thing that could kill you on a straight section of road! Of course, everything would be so much safer with people slamming on their brakes and watching their dials with the introduction of a camera.
The new 'digital Gatsos' have the following features...
1. They DO flash
2. The strips in the road are positioned just past the camera
3. Unless you're using a GPS based camera locator, camera detectors won't pick them up
4. The ones I've seen in roadworks are using satellite broadband to transmit images.
My question would be... do the units have any on board storage in case the BB connection goes down? It strikes me that you could knacker a whole roadwork section of these cameras just by killing the satellite dish, which during roadworks in Cumbria, was mounted at about 4 feet. I would imagine the unit must have on board storage in case of BB suspension.
The other funny issue with these cameras in the Cumbrian roadworks, was that it was so foggy a couple of months back, that the camera was triggered 150 times and caught nobody. I'm not sure which is worse- the fact that the camera can't work in a bit of fog, or that people were doing more than 50mph in conditions so bad!!
1. They DO flash
2. The strips in the road are positioned just past the camera
3. Unless you're using a GPS based camera locator, camera detectors won't pick them up
4. The ones I've seen in roadworks are using satellite broadband to transmit images.
My question would be... do the units have any on board storage in case the BB connection goes down? It strikes me that you could knacker a whole roadwork section of these cameras just by killing the satellite dish, which during roadworks in Cumbria, was mounted at about 4 feet. I would imagine the unit must have on board storage in case of BB suspension.
The other funny issue with these cameras in the Cumbrian roadworks, was that it was so foggy a couple of months back, that the camera was triggered 150 times and caught nobody. I'm not sure which is worse- the fact that the camera can't work in a bit of fog, or that people were doing more than 50mph in conditions so bad!!
dickymint said:
Why dont they also fit a ATM machine just passed the camera so that we can stop and pay the fine straight away to save the postage
And then the local authority can install another ATM next to it so we can pay the parking ticket we'll get for stopping to pay the speeding ticket...
twister said:
Why dont they also fit a ATM machine just passed the camera so that we can stop and pay the fine straight away to save the postage
And then the local authority can install another ATM next to it so we can pay the parking ticket we'll get for stopping to pay the speeding ticket...
In Dubai, they have ATMs in shopping centres where you can pay your speeding fines. All credit cards accepted!!
Glen
I got off a speed camera offence cos I was able to show that the car has multiple drivers, and from their evidence (the photo) they were not able to prove who was driving. They cant prosecute the owner as its a driving offence, not an ownership related one. Went to court but I won. They will still have the same problem with this camera.
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