Speeding whilst overtaking
Discussion
vonhosen said:
bryan35 said:
oldsoak said:
Unless they were travelling slowly ALL THE TIME thus holding you up, why would you need to overtake at all?
Is it the 'red mist' we hear about that insists we MUST be in front...what?
Is there some sort of prize for getting in front of a line of traffic?
Genuine question, as there is a road near me B1230 (partial D/C)where it drops from a NSL 60 to a 50 then 40 until finally a 30 through a village where there is a school that fronts the main road. Now people almost break their necks and the 30mph limit to get in front of a steadily moving line of traffic on this road only to turn off a little way past the school...I have never understood why.
well, to be fair I didn't mention a line of traffic, just someone driving very slow who's impossible to overtake, then speeds up on the overtaking bits.Is it the 'red mist' we hear about that insists we MUST be in front...what?
Is there some sort of prize for getting in front of a line of traffic?
Genuine question, as there is a road near me B1230 (partial D/C)where it drops from a NSL 60 to a 50 then 40 until finally a 30 through a village where there is a school that fronts the main road. Now people almost break their necks and the 30mph limit to get in front of a steadily moving line of traffic on this road only to turn off a little way past the school...I have never understood why.
These drivers also tend to a bit unpredictable with their braking, creating stress.
So, the prize is making progress, saving fuel, and lower stress levels.
Perhaps they think they are driving at an appropriate & legal speed for both & it's you that's trying to out drive the limit point on the bends.
Edited by vonhosen on Sunday 13th September 18:42
A paranoid person might come to the conclusion that they do it on purpose.
vonhosen said:
bryan35 said:
oldsoak said:
Unless they were travelling slowly ALL THE TIME thus holding you up, why would you need to overtake at all?
Is it the 'red mist' we hear about that insists we MUST be in front...what?
Is there some sort of prize for getting in front of a line of traffic?
Genuine question, as there is a road near me B1230 (partial D/C)where it drops from a NSL 60 to a 50 then 40 until finally a 30 through a village where there is a school that fronts the main road. Now people almost break their necks and the 30mph limit to get in front of a steadily moving line of traffic on this road only to turn off a little way past the school...I have never understood why.
well, to be fair I didn't mention a line of traffic, just someone driving very slow who's impossible to overtake, then speeds up on the overtaking bits.Is it the 'red mist' we hear about that insists we MUST be in front...what?
Is there some sort of prize for getting in front of a line of traffic?
Genuine question, as there is a road near me B1230 (partial D/C)where it drops from a NSL 60 to a 50 then 40 until finally a 30 through a village where there is a school that fronts the main road. Now people almost break their necks and the 30mph limit to get in front of a steadily moving line of traffic on this road only to turn off a little way past the school...I have never understood why.
These drivers also tend to a bit unpredictable with their braking, creating stress.
So, the prize is making progress, saving fuel, and lower stress levels.
Perhaps they think they are driving at an appropriate & legal speed for both & it's you that's trying to out drive the limit point on the bends.
Edited by vonhosen on Sunday 13th September 18:42
Zod said:
vonhosen said:
bryan35 said:
oldsoak said:
Unless they were travelling slowly ALL THE TIME thus holding you up, why would you need to overtake at all?
Is it the 'red mist' we hear about that insists we MUST be in front...what?
Is there some sort of prize for getting in front of a line of traffic?
Genuine question, as there is a road near me B1230 (partial D/C)where it drops from a NSL 60 to a 50 then 40 until finally a 30 through a village where there is a school that fronts the main road. Now people almost break their necks and the 30mph limit to get in front of a steadily moving line of traffic on this road only to turn off a little way past the school...I have never understood why.
well, to be fair I didn't mention a line of traffic, just someone driving very slow who's impossible to overtake, then speeds up on the overtaking bits.Is it the 'red mist' we hear about that insists we MUST be in front...what?
Is there some sort of prize for getting in front of a line of traffic?
Genuine question, as there is a road near me B1230 (partial D/C)where it drops from a NSL 60 to a 50 then 40 until finally a 30 through a village where there is a school that fronts the main road. Now people almost break their necks and the 30mph limit to get in front of a steadily moving line of traffic on this road only to turn off a little way past the school...I have never understood why.
These drivers also tend to a bit unpredictable with their braking, creating stress.
So, the prize is making progress, saving fuel, and lower stress levels.
Perhaps they think they are driving at an appropriate & legal speed for both & it's you that's trying to out drive the limit point on the bends.
Edited by vonhosen on Sunday 13th September 23:13
vonhosen said:
There isn't anything wrong with a driver not driving exactly to the limit point (it's better to be a little under, than a little over). .
P'raps you ought to remind your colleague Pedmeister of this over on the "unmarked plod" thread, as he seems to think that doing 28 on a 30-limited DC is unreasonable (smilie aimed at Ped, not you )
vonhosen said:
Zod said:
vonhosen said:
bryan35 said:
oldsoak said:
Unless they were travelling slowly ALL THE TIME thus holding you up, why would you need to overtake at all?
Is it the 'red mist' we hear about that insists we MUST be in front...what?
Is there some sort of prize for getting in front of a line of traffic?
Genuine question, as there is a road near me B1230 (partial D/C)where it drops from a NSL 60 to a 50 then 40 until finally a 30 through a village where there is a school that fronts the main road. Now people almost break their necks and the 30mph limit to get in front of a steadily moving line of traffic on this road only to turn off a little way past the school...I have never understood why.
well, to be fair I didn't mention a line of traffic, just someone driving very slow who's impossible to overtake, then speeds up on the overtaking bits.Is it the 'red mist' we hear about that insists we MUST be in front...what?
Is there some sort of prize for getting in front of a line of traffic?
Genuine question, as there is a road near me B1230 (partial D/C)where it drops from a NSL 60 to a 50 then 40 until finally a 30 through a village where there is a school that fronts the main road. Now people almost break their necks and the 30mph limit to get in front of a steadily moving line of traffic on this road only to turn off a little way past the school...I have never understood why.
These drivers also tend to a bit unpredictable with their braking, creating stress.
So, the prize is making progress, saving fuel, and lower stress levels.
Perhaps they think they are driving at an appropriate & legal speed for both & it's you that's trying to out drive the limit point on the bends.
Edited by vonhosen on Sunday 13th September 23:13
And, of course, one doesn't go driving exactly to the limit point most of the time. I like to have a safety margin, as do most sensible drivers.
Zod said:
vonhosen said:
Zod said:
vonhosen said:
bryan35 said:
oldsoak said:
Unless they were travelling slowly ALL THE TIME thus holding you up, why would you need to overtake at all?
Is it the 'red mist' we hear about that insists we MUST be in front...what?
Is there some sort of prize for getting in front of a line of traffic?
Genuine question, as there is a road near me B1230 (partial D/C)where it drops from a NSL 60 to a 50 then 40 until finally a 30 through a village where there is a school that fronts the main road. Now people almost break their necks and the 30mph limit to get in front of a steadily moving line of traffic on this road only to turn off a little way past the school...I have never understood why.
well, to be fair I didn't mention a line of traffic, just someone driving very slow who's impossible to overtake, then speeds up on the overtaking bits.Is it the 'red mist' we hear about that insists we MUST be in front...what?
Is there some sort of prize for getting in front of a line of traffic?
Genuine question, as there is a road near me B1230 (partial D/C)where it drops from a NSL 60 to a 50 then 40 until finally a 30 through a village where there is a school that fronts the main road. Now people almost break their necks and the 30mph limit to get in front of a steadily moving line of traffic on this road only to turn off a little way past the school...I have never understood why.
These drivers also tend to a bit unpredictable with their braking, creating stress.
So, the prize is making progress, saving fuel, and lower stress levels.
Perhaps they think they are driving at an appropriate & legal speed for both & it's you that's trying to out drive the limit point on the bends.
Edited by vonhosen on Sunday 13th September 23:13
And, of course, one doesn't go driving exactly to the limit point most of the time. I like to have a safety margin, as do most sensible drivers.
Forget your eternal mission to remind us that we don't have all the facts on the case in question and just agree or disagree that there is a phenomenon such as I have described. It is not exactly difficult to spot, so your doubt of bryan35's (not the OP's) premise is difficult to regard as helpful.
I have the constant joy of sitting behind what I will only class as complete berks on a daily basis on a major A road with lots of sequential bends and very few straights (most of which are actually in 40 limits). Its 17-18 miles long and can stretch my working day by half an hour easily. Thats very frustrating.
Justification for calling them berks??? Well my rule of thumb is if there's a car holding up a lorry or in fact many lorries, said individual driving that car is a berk plain as. More justification, individuals that drive at 40 and less in the NSL portions of the road and then speed up to 50 plus in the 40's I would also place in the berk category. Individuals that drive through the sweeping bends at 40 and less and then speed up on the only overtaking sections to 5 mph of the NSL and then speed up as you overtake them (fair point you shouldn't exceed the NSL but you know the instant you get to the next hint of a corner you'll be back to 40 and below again for 10 more miles) would fit nicely into the berk category. And to answer the limit point before its raised, I have experienced close to 3 figure speeds along most of the NSL sections of that road without stepping over the limit point so 40 just isn't limit point, even for a hoofing great truck on slicks in the rain.
Justification for calling them berks??? Well my rule of thumb is if there's a car holding up a lorry or in fact many lorries, said individual driving that car is a berk plain as. More justification, individuals that drive at 40 and less in the NSL portions of the road and then speed up to 50 plus in the 40's I would also place in the berk category. Individuals that drive through the sweeping bends at 40 and less and then speed up on the only overtaking sections to 5 mph of the NSL and then speed up as you overtake them (fair point you shouldn't exceed the NSL but you know the instant you get to the next hint of a corner you'll be back to 40 and below again for 10 more miles) would fit nicely into the berk category. And to answer the limit point before its raised, I have experienced close to 3 figure speeds along most of the NSL sections of that road without stepping over the limit point so 40 just isn't limit point, even for a hoofing great truck on slicks in the rain.
Zod said:
Forget your eternal mission to remind us that we don't have all the facts on the case in question and just agree or disagree that there is a phenomenon such as I have described. It is not exactly difficult to spot, so your doubt of bryan35's (not the OP's) premise is difficult to regard as helpful.
And taking it at face value doesn't mean it's exactly how it happened, or would you have it that I'd castigate you on the word of anyone on the internet who criticised your driving ?Yep we all know there are bad drivers out there, but we also know that a lot of the time the greater problem is those who perceive others as bad drivers rather than themselves & we can't tell from here what's what. The OP can of course vent his spleen but it changes nothing. I myself don't worry about the driving of others, I deal with it & just continue on my way, that's far less stressful.
As it happens if I had witnessed the described event I may have agreed with the OP or I may not. I'm not going to waste time wondering or worrying about it though, because there is too little to form an accurate opinion on. I'm going for a drive instead, whilst doing my best not to worry about the driving of others & also doing my best not to get into any conflict with them.
Edited by vonhosen on Monday 14th September 06:51
vonhosen said:
bryan35 said:
oldsoak said:
Unless they were travelling slowly ALL THE TIME thus holding you up, why would you need to overtake at all?
Is it the 'red mist' we hear about that insists we MUST be in front...what?
Is there some sort of prize for getting in front of a line of traffic?
Genuine question, as there is a road near me B1230 (partial D/C)where it drops from a NSL 60 to a 50 then 40 until finally a 30 through a village where there is a school that fronts the main road. Now people almost break their necks and the 30mph limit to get in front of a steadily moving line of traffic on this road only to turn off a little way past the school...I have never understood why.
well, to be fair I didn't mention a line of traffic, just someone driving very slow who's impossible to overtake, then speeds up on the overtaking bits.Is it the 'red mist' we hear about that insists we MUST be in front...what?
Is there some sort of prize for getting in front of a line of traffic?
Genuine question, as there is a road near me B1230 (partial D/C)where it drops from a NSL 60 to a 50 then 40 until finally a 30 through a village where there is a school that fronts the main road. Now people almost break their necks and the 30mph limit to get in front of a steadily moving line of traffic on this road only to turn off a little way past the school...I have never understood why.
These drivers also tend to a bit unpredictable with their braking, creating stress.
So, the prize is making progress, saving fuel, and lower stress levels.
Perhaps they think they are driving at an appropriate & legal speed for both & it's you that's trying to out drive the limit point on the bends.
Edited by vonhosen on Sunday 13th September 18:42
I'm not sure that I'm fully up to speed with them either. I have my own strange version, but it seems to work!
Best wishes all,
Dave.
Zod said:
vonhosen said:
bryan35 said:
oldsoak said:
Unless they were travelling slowly ALL THE TIME thus holding you up, why would you need to overtake at all?
Is it the 'red mist' we hear about that insists we MUST be in front...what?
Is there some sort of prize for getting in front of a line of traffic?
Genuine question, as there is a road near me B1230 (partial D/C)where it drops from a NSL 60 to a 50 then 40 until finally a 30 through a village where there is a school that fronts the main road. Now people almost break their necks and the 30mph limit to get in front of a steadily moving line of traffic on this road only to turn off a little way past the school...I have never understood why.
well, to be fair I didn't mention a line of traffic, just someone driving very slow who's impossible to overtake, then speeds up on the overtaking bits.Is it the 'red mist' we hear about that insists we MUST be in front...what?
Is there some sort of prize for getting in front of a line of traffic?
Genuine question, as there is a road near me B1230 (partial D/C)where it drops from a NSL 60 to a 50 then 40 until finally a 30 through a village where there is a school that fronts the main road. Now people almost break their necks and the 30mph limit to get in front of a steadily moving line of traffic on this road only to turn off a little way past the school...I have never understood why.
These drivers also tend to a bit unpredictable with their braking, creating stress.
So, the prize is making progress, saving fuel, and lower stress levels.
Perhaps they think they are driving at an appropriate & legal speed for both & it's you that's trying to out drive the limit point on the bends.
Edited by vonhosen on Sunday 13th September 18:42
....but I know what you mean about people who are forever touching the brakes at the mere sight of a bend, even when they are already driving quite slowly.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
dangerous brain said:
I have the constant joy of sitting behind what I will only class as complete berks on a daily basis on a major A road with lots of sequential bends and very few straights (most of which are actually in 40 limits). Its 17-18 miles long and can stretch my working day by half an hour easily. Thats very frustrating.
Justification for calling them berks??? Well my rule of thumb is if there's a car holding up a lorry or in fact many lorries, said individual driving that car is a berk plain as. More justification, individuals that drive at 40 and less in the NSL portions of the road and then speed up to 50 plus in the 40's I would also place in the berk category. Individuals that drive through the sweeping bends at 40 and less and then speed up on the only overtaking sections to 5 mph of the NSL and then speed up as you overtake them (fair point you shouldn't exceed the NSL but you know the instant you get to the next hint of a corner you'll be back to 40 and below again for 10 more miles) would fit nicely into the berk category. And to answer the limit point before its raised, I have experienced close to 3 figure speeds along most of the NSL sections of that road without stepping over the limit point so 40 just isn't limit point, even for a hoofing great truck on slicks in the rain.
I had a very frustrating journey across the Mendips today following a guy in a (wait for it...) Zafira, who drove all the way up Cheddar Gorge at an utter crawl (20 max), then set off at exactly 60 when the road straightened out, but then slowed to an utter crawl round every subsequent bend.Justification for calling them berks??? Well my rule of thumb is if there's a car holding up a lorry or in fact many lorries, said individual driving that car is a berk plain as. More justification, individuals that drive at 40 and less in the NSL portions of the road and then speed up to 50 plus in the 40's I would also place in the berk category. Individuals that drive through the sweeping bends at 40 and less and then speed up on the only overtaking sections to 5 mph of the NSL and then speed up as you overtake them (fair point you shouldn't exceed the NSL but you know the instant you get to the next hint of a corner you'll be back to 40 and below again for 10 more miles) would fit nicely into the berk category. And to answer the limit point before its raised, I have experienced close to 3 figure speeds along most of the NSL sections of that road without stepping over the limit point so 40 just isn't limit point, even for a hoofing great truck on slicks in the rain.
vonhosen said:
Zod said:
vonhosen said:
bryan35 said:
oldsoak said:
Unless they were travelling slowly ALL THE TIME thus holding you up, why would you need to overtake at all?
Is it the 'red mist' we hear about that insists we MUST be in front...what?
Is there some sort of prize for getting in front of a line of traffic?
Genuine question, as there is a road near me B1230 (partial D/C)where it drops from a NSL 60 to a 50 then 40 until finally a 30 through a village where there is a school that fronts the main road. Now people almost break their necks and the 30mph limit to get in front of a steadily moving line of traffic on this road only to turn off a little way past the school...I have never understood why.
well, to be fair I didn't mention a line of traffic, just someone driving very slow who's impossible to overtake, then speeds up on the overtaking bits.Is it the 'red mist' we hear about that insists we MUST be in front...what?
Is there some sort of prize for getting in front of a line of traffic?
Genuine question, as there is a road near me B1230 (partial D/C)where it drops from a NSL 60 to a 50 then 40 until finally a 30 through a village where there is a school that fronts the main road. Now people almost break their necks and the 30mph limit to get in front of a steadily moving line of traffic on this road only to turn off a little way past the school...I have never understood why.
These drivers also tend to a bit unpredictable with their braking, creating stress.
So, the prize is making progress, saving fuel, and lower stress levels.
Perhaps they think they are driving at an appropriate & legal speed for both & it's you that's trying to out drive the limit point on the bends.
Edited by vonhosen on Sunday 13th September 23:13
Davidonly said:
Does not the 'better a little under than over' highlight the idea that the limits MIGHT be wrong in the first place? Speed limits are a dangerous generalistion!
Speed limits do indeed provide dangerous disinformation.
We must destroy the evil gangsters who profit by them.
Davidonly said:
vonhosen said:
Zod said:
vonhosen said:
bryan35 said:
oldsoak said:
Unless they were travelling slowly ALL THE TIME thus holding you up, why would you need to overtake at all?
Is it the 'red mist' we hear about that insists we MUST be in front...what?
Is there some sort of prize for getting in front of a line of traffic?
Genuine question, as there is a road near me B1230 (partial D/C)where it drops from a NSL 60 to a 50 then 40 until finally a 30 through a village where there is a school that fronts the main road. Now people almost break their necks and the 30mph limit to get in front of a steadily moving line of traffic on this road only to turn off a little way past the school...I have never understood why.
well, to be fair I didn't mention a line of traffic, just someone driving very slow who's impossible to overtake, then speeds up on the overtaking bits.Is it the 'red mist' we hear about that insists we MUST be in front...what?
Is there some sort of prize for getting in front of a line of traffic?
Genuine question, as there is a road near me B1230 (partial D/C)where it drops from a NSL 60 to a 50 then 40 until finally a 30 through a village where there is a school that fronts the main road. Now people almost break their necks and the 30mph limit to get in front of a steadily moving line of traffic on this road only to turn off a little way past the school...I have never understood why.
These drivers also tend to a bit unpredictable with their braking, creating stress.
So, the prize is making progress, saving fuel, and lower stress levels.
Perhaps they think they are driving at an appropriate & legal speed for both & it's you that's trying to out drive the limit point on the bends.
Edited by vonhosen on Sunday 13th September 23:13
The limit point isn't wrong & being within it is better than being too quick for it.
vonhosen said:
fluffnik said:
vonhosen said:
The limit point isn't wrong & being within it is better than being too quick for it.
Yes. The arbitrary number on the stick serves only to confuse matters.There is no consistent relationship between posted limits and the speed required to drive within the limit point.
The arbitrary number on the stick serves only to confuse matters.
The law is petty and worthy only of contempt.
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