No Mask, No Entry, No Exceptions
Discussion
m_cozzy said:
LOL maybe they need to take responsibility for themselves? Just a thought.
Hang on, I dont wear a mask nor have I had a "vaccination". Maybe I can catch the covids off myself? Now theres something not to be worried about.
Can you elaborate on your first point? Hang on, I dont wear a mask nor have I had a "vaccination". Maybe I can catch the covids off myself? Now theres something not to be worried about.
I'd like to hear what you have in mind.
thewarlock said:
anonymous said:
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What about those of us that aren't vaccinnated yet? You understand that wearing a mask isn't just about protecting yourself, yes? It's about protecting others?
Durzel said:
Masks are supposed to principally reduce your transmission of it to other people, and also yourself - but to a lesser extent, the idea being that you wear one to protect others, and others wear one to protect you.
Of course, its function is a perfect example of people not being prepared to make the slightest of sacrifices to help others. As a social experiment (if it were one, which it isn't) it's quite illuminating, and quite depressing.
What are you talking about?Of course, its function is a perfect example of people not being prepared to make the slightest of sacrifices to help others. As a social experiment (if it were one, which it isn't) it's quite illuminating, and quite depressing.
It's quite obvious if you go to any indoor public place that mask use is still >90%.
And when it's more than 25 degrees it's more than a small sacrifice for a lot of people.
I'd imagine we've drawn polar opposite conclusions from the same observations.
anonymous said:
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Boris is a 
, not sure why you're bringing him up.My experience is limited to working in extremely confined environments, in close proximity to others, where it has been proven that masks do in fact help to slow/contain the spread of the virus. Admittedly, these are FFP3 at a minimum, and you must be clean shaven and have a mask fitting before attending site, so a bit more serious than a buff pulled up over your nose.
What's your first hand experience? Reading s
t on Facebook?thewarlock said:
anonymous said:
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So yes then, your experience is reading stuff that you'd like to agree with, coupled with dismissing the things you don't like.Glad we cleared that up.
Right?
I forecast that the mask wearing mandate will end at just about the same time as all those Tory-supporting CEOs manage to sell their last mask. Call me cynical, but there really is money in this for those supplying this "PPE" (it's not really PPE though) for use by members of the general public.
yellowjack said:
thewarlock said:
anonymous said:
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So yes then, your experience is reading stuff that you'd like to agree with, coupled with dismissing the things you don't like.Glad we cleared that up.
Right?
I forecast that the mask wearing mandate will end at just about the same time as all those Tory-supporting CEOs manage to sell their last mask. Call me cynical, but there really is money in this for those supplying this "PPE" (it's not really PPE though) for use by members of the general public.
bad company said:
Tommo87 said:
Has anyone seen any demographic analysis of the persons who could, but refuse to take the jab? [Age, political bias etc..]
I doubt such analysis exists It was no surprise to me to see the Rushmoor postcode areas where 'surge testing' was being pushed. High incidences of Nepalese residents there. And the Nepalese are culturally different to us WASPs. Nothing sinister in what I'm saying either. They're not worse, nor better. Just different in the way they have far higher occupation density in their housing, and multi-generational households are more common. And so transmission within the home is more likely. But no-one in local or central government will say as much. They skirt around it by lumping people together by postcode.
Similarly the language change around the "Delta" variant. Initially it was called "The Indian Variant" in the media and official briefings. Then, I suspect, there was a fear of alienation UK citizens of Indian origin/parentage. Like the way some oafish thickos behaved despicably toward people of Chinese appearance when we were told that the virus originated in China.
I'd wager that the demographic of those refusing to take the vaccine is known, or could be if the right filters were applied to collected data. But the government won't publish those numbers, instead preferring to target persuasive campaigns at those communities with low uptake.
thewarlock said:
CrutyRammers said:
How about, those who are still concerned about a tiny, tiny risk to themselves, take extra precautions if they wish. How about, you wear a proper PPE mask to protect yourself? After all, it's no inconvenience, right?
Genius.You should be in charge of something.
You didn't answer the question. If you're so worried about catching it, why not do something about it?
Can't be that the inconvenience outweighs the risk, surely?
yellowjack said:
Yeah. Because every last subscriber to the pro-mask, pro-restriction lobby have studied every last paper on the subject and come to that conclusion independently. And not one of them is wearing a mask because "it must do something good or Boris The Benevolent wouldn't have told us to do it."
Right?
I forecast that the mask wearing mandate will end at just about the same time as all those Tory-supporting CEOs manage to sell their last mask. Call me cynical, but there really is money in this for those supplying this "PPE" (it's not really PPE though) for use by members of the general public.
I'm genuinely interested in fact and data analysis of mask wearing and Covid. I read a paper recently (from January 2021 - USA) that stated "The preponderance of evidence indicates that mask wearing reduces transmissibility per contact by reducing transmission of infected respiratory particles in both laboratory and clinical contexts. Public mask wearing is most effective at reducing spread of the virus when compliance is high."Right?
I forecast that the mask wearing mandate will end at just about the same time as all those Tory-supporting CEOs manage to sell their last mask. Call me cynical, but there really is money in this for those supplying this "PPE" (it's not really PPE though) for use by members of the general public.
Is there data out there that refutes that conclusion (ie that masks do not work at all). If someone can point me in that direction it would be appreciated.
If the above IS true, then the fact more and more people are not wearing them is a self fulfilling prophecy for anti-mask and pro-mask alike.....in that the less wear them, the less they are useful at a society level (which makes sense to me given the nature of the "protection" and "protecting others" claims). So the pro-maskers claim "see, you are ruining everything" and the anti-maskers claim "see it doesn't work). Both are then correct.
CrutyRammers said:
I am
You didn't answer the question. If you're so worried about catching it, why not do something about it?
Can't be that the inconvenience outweighs the risk, surely?
I didn't answer the question?You didn't answer the question. If you're so worried about catching it, why not do something about it?
Can't be that the inconvenience outweighs the risk, surely?
No no, you didn't answer the question
I'm not particularly worried about catching it. I'm reasonably young, fit and healthy.
What is it about this particular scenario that makes people think it's just all about themselves, with no regards for anyone else?
yellowjack said:
Yeah. Because every last subscriber to the pro-mask, pro-restriction lobby have studied every last paper on the subject and come to that conclusion independently. And not one of them is wearing a mask because "it must do something good or Boris The Benevolent wouldn't have told us to do it."
Right?
I forecast that the mask wearing mandate will end at just about the same time as all those Tory-supporting CEOs manage to sell their last mask. Call me cynical, but there really is money in this for those supplying this "PPE" (it's not really PPE though) for use by members of the general public.
Do you think Boris came up with the idea/concept of wearing masks to stop the spread of disease?Right?
I forecast that the mask wearing mandate will end at just about the same time as all those Tory-supporting CEOs manage to sell their last mask. Call me cynical, but there really is money in this for those supplying this "PPE" (it's not really PPE though) for use by members of the general public.
I'd assume not, I'd hope you're not that stupid.
Now, do you have a real, rational, point to make, please?
And for my own clarity, so I know how best to approach this debate, are you, or are you not, the person that once claimed they thought they could kill a motorist and use their mental health as a mitigation to get out of being held responsible for it, on a cycling thread?
Are you that particular nutter?
Steve Campbell said:
I'm genuinely interested in fact and data analysis of mask wearing and Covid. I read a paper recently (from January 2021 - USA) that stated "The preponderance of evidence indicates that mask wearing reduces transmissibility per contact by reducing transmission of infected respiratory particles in both laboratory and clinical contexts. Public mask wearing is most effective at reducing spread of the virus when compliance is high."
Is there data out there that refutes that conclusion (ie that masks do not work at all). If someone can point me in that direction it would be appreciated.
If the above IS true, then the fact more and more people are not wearing them is a self fulfilling prophecy for anti-mask and pro-mask alike.....in that the less wear them, the less they are useful at a society level (which makes sense to me given the nature of the "protection" and "protecting others" claims). So the pro-maskers claim "see, you are ruining everything" and the anti-maskers claim "see it doesn't work). Both are then correct.
Good point. What is "cause" and what is "effect"? Maybe in a decade or so everything will have come out in the wash and we'll know who was right and who was wrong? Or maybe we'll continue to bumble about making educated guesses...Is there data out there that refutes that conclusion (ie that masks do not work at all). If someone can point me in that direction it would be appreciated.
If the above IS true, then the fact more and more people are not wearing them is a self fulfilling prophecy for anti-mask and pro-mask alike.....in that the less wear them, the less they are useful at a society level (which makes sense to me given the nature of the "protection" and "protecting others" claims). So the pro-maskers claim "see, you are ruining everything" and the anti-maskers claim "see it doesn't work). Both are then correct.
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