woman killed in rta with hired R8

[Wozy68]

andy_s said:

Devil2575 said:

s3fella said:

Fleeing the scene with two old dears trapped in their car.....? What a spineless little .

While running away is not the right thing to do he did hand himself in later.

When sober.

The way I see L&O and the difference between right and wrong going down the swanny these days in our inner cities, I doubt he drank.

[Devil2575]

Wozy68 said:

The way I see L&O and the difference between right and wrong going down the swanny these days in our inner cities, I doubt he drank.

Ah yes, the old "the worlds going to hell" comment.

There has alwasy been crime, and people have always done bad things. It's not 'going' anywhere, IMHO of course

[Devil2575]

DonkeyApple said:

Sadly, it's the initial response of running that defines a man for what he is deep down.

Is it?

Given you don't know him and don't know the exact circumstances i'm not sure how you can say this.

Good people do bad things all the time.

[DonkeyApple]

Devil2575 said:

DonkeyApple said:

Sadly, it's the initial response of running that defines a man for what he is deep down.

Is it?

Given you don't know him and don't know the exact circumstances i'm not sure how you can say this.

Good people do bad things all the time.

I think the innate response to either stand or run is defined within and also defined by the character of your peers.

Actions under duress speak bounds.

There is little good to be found in the nature of the man who runs away leaving others behind.

Of course there may be extenuating circumstances that are not currently known. I alluded to this in my post but it has been conveniently ignored.

[12v3pot]

Devil2575 said:

Good people do bad things all the time.

Ahem... if they did bad things 'all the time', what spare time do they have to be good?

Apart from that, I'd also say that this action - running away from the scene of an accident and leaving your victim dying - pretty much wipes out any good deeds 99.9% of people might have done before.

[Devil2575]

12v3pot said:

Devil2575 said:

Good people do bad things all the time.

Ahem... if they did bad things 'all the time', what spare time do they have to be good?

You know what I mean!

I don't mean an individual good person does bad things all the time...

Everyone makes mistakes, errors of judgment, questinable decisions. Sometimes through fear, sometimes through haste, sometimes through inexperience etc.

Unless i'd sat in the court room and heard all the details about this case i'd not be so quick to write someone off.

[zcacogp]

Devil2575 said:

Everyone makes mistakes, errors of judgment, questinable decisions. Sometimes through fear, sometimes through haste, sometimes through inexperience etc.

Undoubtedly true.

The telling thing is the way that you respond to mistakes you have made. Put your hand up, say "My fault Guv'" and start to mitigate the damage (perhaps call an ambulance, in this case) or leg it like the spineless little shlt in this story did.

Scum, of the first order. Would you be so quick to defend this 'character' if it was your mum who had been killed? No, didn't think so.


Oli.

[dudleybloke]

Of course he ran.
he had to hide his gear before the police found it.

[1OS]

Wasn't surprised that this happened in Birmingham tbh. I had the misfortune of living nearby for a few years for work and the place is like a third world country. Dirty, everyone drives like s and everything seems in a perpetual state of decline. RIP to those involved, had I not had the experience of Birmingham and its universal stness I'd consider not writing the R8 guy off as fast, but in this case...

[Devil2575]

zcacogp said:

Would you be so quick to defend this 'character' if it was your mum who had been killed? No, didn't think so.

It's customary to wait for me to reply before answering on my behalf.

I don't know how I would have felt if it was a relative of mine that had been killed as i've never been in that scenario. Unless you have, then I don't imagine uyou truely know either.

To be honest though, in times of grief people don't always react in the most rational way. hence why we have a justice system that decides guilt and punsihment rather than simply asking the relatives whether or not the person is guilty and how they should be punished.

This guy could be a grade A scum bag, he may have been pissed, he may have wanted to hide his drugs, or he may have simply st himself when it happened and run. I don't know and no amount of speculation will answer that question.
Unless you have been in a situation like that no one can honestly say how they would respond. We all like to think we would do the right thing, I know I do, but unless you have been tested then you really don't know.

[Devil2575]

1OS said:

Wasn't surprised that this happened in Birmingham tbh. I had the misfortune of living nearby for a few years for work and the place is like a third world country. Dirty, everyone drives like s and everything seems in a perpetual state of decline. RIP to those involved, had I not had the experience of Birmingham and its universal stness I'd consider not writing the R8 guy off as fast, but in this case...

This is just ste to be honest.

So you'd consider not writing him off but because you have lived there you can honesty know the character of this person.

I know some really ste estates in Middlesbrough where there's loads of trouble. However I wouldn't dream of writing people off just because they came from there, after all the best man at my wedding came from one.

Edited by Devil2575 on Friday 30th August 19:35

[rigga]

1OS said:

Wasn't surprised that this happened in Birmingham tbh. I had the misfortune of living nearby for a few years for work and the place is like a third world country. Dirty, everyone drives like s and everything seems in a perpetual state of decline. RIP to those involved, had I not had the experience of Birmingham and its universal stness I'd consider not writing the R8 guy off as fast, but in this case...

What has the place got to do with the actual incident? ...what a load of bks

[Dangerous Dan]

s3fella said:

Fleeing the scene with two old dears trapped in their car.....? What a spineless little .

Welcome to Britain - the land of spineless little sts.

[1OS]

rigga said:

What has the place got to do with the actual incident? ...what a load of bks

The fact that Birmingham is an awful place to drive, worse in certain areas and that is in part thanks to those who live there. Never seen the likes of it anywhere else.

[Wozy68]

1OS said:

rigga said:

What has the place got to do with the actual incident? ...what a load of bks

The fact that Birmingham is an awful place to drive, worse in certain areas and that is in part thanks to those who live there. Never seen the likes of it anywhere else.

Well I lived there for over a year, and the majority of people are far more socialable than a lot of other places I've lived.
Why you would think its any worse than any other city to drive in is beyond me.

[heebeegeetee]

1OS said:

The fact that Birmingham is an awful place to drive, worse in certain areas and that is in part thanks to those who live there. Never seen the likes of it anywhere else.

Stap me, whilst I agree the driving is absolutely st, I don't really regard it as dangerous at all, just st.

If you think Brum is bad, don't drive in any capital city whatever you do. (And Londoners are amateurs imo compared to drivers in other capitals).

[voyds9]

hora said:

Well thankfully a promising young Manchester City players career hasn't been interrupted for 5mins this time.

Why blame City they get pulled in their own cars.

[RedSpike66]

Phil Dicky said:

Starfighter said:

So, the charge list...

Driver
Excess speed - Physical evidence from the impact damage.
Damgerous / Careless / WoDCA.
Failure to stop (doing a runner).
Failure to provide details at the road side.
TWOC / Agrivated Vehicle taking.
Without insurance.

Renter
Causing or permitting no insurnce by allowing the drive to take the wheel.
Anything else?

Renter will just claim vehicle taken without his knowledge

SO he 'mis-laid' the keys of a £100k super car he rented and was liable for ? Or he reported it stolen I presume ??

[over_the_hill]

Main story aside what type of people pay £600 a day (or £1400 for a weekend) to hire a car.

That is a serious amount of cash and well in excess of a weeks take-home for the vast majority. (I do of course realise that for most PH'ers it's just pocket change)

Anyone that does have that type of cash to chuck around probably wouldn't need the hire because they would already have something similar or could probably blag a free test drive for a day or so as an already established customer.

[poo at Paul's]

over_the_hill said:

Main story aside what type of people pay £600 a day (or £1400 for a weekend) to hire a car.

That is a serious amount of cash and well in excess of a weeks take-home for the vast majority. (I do of course realise that for most PH'ers it's just pocket change)

Anyone that does have that type of cash to chuck around probably wouldn't need the hire because they would already have something similar or could probably blag a free test drive for a day or so as an already established customer.

Idiotic kids with no gump, who have mediocre jobs, but pay nothing out as they live with mummy and daddy...?

But whom have illusions of grandieur as well as a L'oreal generation outlook.

Of course no one has (yet) speculated on the enthicity of the driver / hirer, Im sur ethey woudl have done if this had happedned a couple or three weeks before....