Malicious email / police involved

[hutchst]

Can I just add, for a bit of perspective like, that young people are dying because this minor crime is a waste of police time to deal with.

Not this case specifically, but we can't have different laws for every set of circumstances.

[jdw100]

Vaud said:

jlee said:

If it was my sister id of gone round had a word, found out the facts, swung a punch if need be. G

How are you going to find the address/sender from an anonymous email?

I have friends in IT that could do that in 5 minutes I imagine.

[jdw100]

joshcowin said:

Why is everyone so punchy!? You cant go around punching people now, just like you cant smack kids or be racist! What used to be acceptable isn't anymore!

A friend of mine recently had his phone stolen.

We used ‘find my phone’ and tracked it down.

A french holiday maker had stolen it. Had it in his man-bag, along with three other phones...

We apprehended him as he got out of a taxi. He just tried to hand it back -seemed to think it was funny.

My friend (normally a very mild mannered landscape architect for major projects) then proceeded to beat the st out of him. At some point we decided enough was enough and left him sat on the pavement in tears with a very bloody t-shirt. I imagine he would have been in a lot of pain for a good week or so.

I took the other phones and we managed to track down one other owner - she was delighted.

He could have called the police - however we are all residents of the country and this was a clear cut case so their view would have been he deserved what he got. Might even have jailed him for it.

Will he be stealing phones again in a hurry? I doubt it.

What would he have got in France? A police warning, maybe nothing? That’s what he was expecting which is why he tried to make light of it.

In the UK? Would police have turned up for a reported stolen phone if we said we had tracked it down?

I’m sure lots on here will throw up their hands in horror.

My view is he got what he deserved. So yes you can go round punching people if they commit a crime - maybe explains why crime here is a quarter of that in the UK.


Another phone thief was caught last year - tracked by security and Police on some CCTV and calling various places to keep a lookout for him. He was paraded for the media after they caught him....black eyes, split lip.....oh dear never mind. Got 3 years as well.

[Vaud]

jdw100 said:

I have friends in IT that could do that in 5 minutes I imagine.

Not to correlate an IP address to a physical address.

[768]

Vaud said:

jdw100 said:

I have friends in IT that could do that in 5 minutes I imagine.

Not to correlate an IP address to a physical address.

As ever, it depends.

[Vaud]

768 said:

As ever, it depends.

In this case I am not struck that either party was an IT expert. The police would have liaised with the ISP.

How would you correlate a domestic broadband IP address to a physical address?

I can get mine down to the exchange and the town/village level but not to the cabinet level, let alone address without access to ISP held info.

Edited by Vaud on Tuesday 16th April 10:58

[jdw100]

Vaud said:

Not to correlate an IP address to a physical address.

Okay, I’m no expert so will say I could well be wrong then.

[EazyDuz]

jdw100 said:

A friend of mine recently had his phone stolen.

We used ‘find my phone’ and tracked it down.

A french holiday maker had stolen it. Had it in his man-bag, along with three other phones...

We apprehended him as he got out of a taxi. He just tried to hand it back -seemed to think it was funny.

My friend (normally a very mild mannered landscape architect for major projects) then proceeded to beat the st out of him. At some point we decided enough was enough and left him sat on the pavement in tears with a very bloody t-shirt. I imagine he would have been in a lot of pain for a good week or so.

I took the other phones and we managed to track down one other owner - she was delighted.

He could have called the police - however we are all residents of the country and this was a clear cut case so their view would have been he deserved what he got. Might even have jailed him for it.

Will he be stealing phones again in a hurry? I doubt it.

What would he have got in France? A police warning, maybe nothing? That’s what he was expecting which is why he tried to make light of it.

In the UK? Would police have turned up for a reported stolen phone if we said we had tracked it down?

I’m sure lots on here will throw up their hands in horror.

My view is he got what he deserved. So yes you can go round punching people if they commit a crime - maybe explains why crime here is a quarter of that in the UK.


Another phone thief was caught last year - tracked by security and Police on some CCTV and calling various places to keep a lookout for him. He was paraded for the media after they caught him....black eyes, split lip.....oh dear never mind. Got 3 years as well.

Are you and your friend tradesmen by any chance, or wear a high viz to work?

[OddCat]

Sa Calobra said:

OddCat said:

Shoot the messenger. Always a good strategy. Does a smashing job of drawing attention away from the actual issue.

Meanwhile, 115,000 cars a year get stolen and fewer than half are recovered.

We have sufficient police. The issue is that too many of them are pi$$ing around on cases like this.....

Are you serious?

Don't leave your keys in the ignition
If you are worried about keyless car theft TAKE PRECAUTIONS. Buy a steering wheel lock etc. Take ownership of protecting your property.

Are you willing to pay more for more Police officers?

Cases like this are important. If this happened to me I'd consider it more important than someone nicking a car left running on someone's drive whilst it defrosted.

Locally at a notoriously dangerous three lane each direction traffic light junction the council have changed the traffic light camera to a speed camera as people were going through at crazy speeds with other direction traffic often turning across.

Guess what? On local Facebook group people caught are claiming it's a scam and a tax yet daily you see RTCs there. Police have better things to do than victimise innocent motorists.

Are you serious? very

Don't leave your keys in the ignition
If you are worried about keyless car theft TAKE PRECAUTIONS. Buy a steering wheel lock etc. Take ownership of protecting your property. Eh? I wasn't worried about my car. Mind you, a client of mine was recently attacked by a gang of blokes with knives in a car jacking - I suppose she could have tried to beat them off with a steering lock had she had one

Are you willing to pay more for more Police officers? I said there were SUFFICIENT police officers - so why would I be advocating paying for more ?

Cases like this are important. No, they really aren't. An utter, utter, waste of police time

If this happened to me I'd consider it more important than someone nicking a car left running on someone's drive whilst it defrosted. Well, if my car was stolen (by any method) I'd consider it way more important than some snowflake gimp being a little bit upset at finding out that his sister had made a porn video that is already in the public domain

[Vaud]

jdw100 said:

My view is he got what he deserved. So yes you can go round punching people if they commit a crime - maybe explains why crime here is a quarter of that in the UK.

Well, reported crime maybe. You didn't report the theft. He didn't report the violent assault. So that's 2 crimes that the police never knew about.

Doesn't mean crime is lower.

[jdw100]

EazyDuz said:

Are you and your friend tradesmen by any chance, or wear a high viz to work?

Nope. As mentioned my friend who had the phone stolen is a landscape architect. The other two present - one runs several shoe factories across Asia and the other has a property portfolio in Italy that provides his income.

I’m semi-retired but still conduct some consultancy work in Europe, LATAM and the USA.

I see what you are aiming at, but I believe that this thief will think long and hard before stealing again.

You are of course welcome to try to present counter-arguments, what with this being a discussion board....

Edited by jdw100 on Tuesday 16th April 11:31

[jdw100]

Vaud said:

Well, reported crime maybe. You didn't report the theft. He didn't report the violent assault. So that's 2 crimes that the police never knew about.

Doesn't mean crime is lower.

I take your point.

However, punching a guy for stealing phones in not, in my view, a crime.

All dealt with without needing the Police anyway.

[johnwilliams77]

jdw100 said:

Nope. As mentioned my friend who had the phone stolen is a landscape architect. The other two present - one runs several shoe factories across Asia and the other has a property portfolio in Italy that provides his income.

I’m semi-retired but still conduct some consultancy work in Europe, LATAM and the USA.

I see what you are aiming at, but I believe that this thief will think long and hard before stealing again.

You are of course welcome to try to present counter-arguments, what with this being a discussion board....

Edited by jdw100 on Tuesday 16th April 11:31

Always fascinated by your ‘consultancy’ what sort of work do you do?

[jdw100]

johnwilliams77 said:

Always fascinated by your ‘consultancy’ what sort of work do you do?

I advise companies in the Pharmaceutical and Medical Devices sector.

[Vaud]

jdw100 said:

I take your point.

However, punching a guy for stealing phones in not, in my view, a crime.

All dealt with without needing the Police anyway.

It is a crime, they both are crimes. Yours is a form of citizen led (and victim led in this case) vigilante justice where you decide on guilt and punishment. Having the victim be judge and punisher isn't a great model as they are not rational, they are too connected to the crime.

I'm not saying that is wrong in every case, but it is still a crime.

[RB Will]

dave7108 said:

Evidence against him was it made him feel distressed. There was nothing else I have not talked about on here.

to sum up for anyone who doesnt want to go through 20 odd pages

Girl in to camming. Punter uploads video on to well known website.
Few months later random person in the group of friends comes across it.
Lads have a good laugh about it
My son gets told about it but to NOT tell the brother of said camming girl
He tells him but doesnt want to get directly involved so sets fake email up. and sends image as proof . Hoping the brother contacts the group of lads involved and gets it taken off site.
Brother gets email tells his mother about it. They both go to police.
Police knock on our door tracked IP
Court...
Witness statements read out saying they both felt distressed at seeing image
Prosecution say my son did it for malice, Defence say this is not true and he could not of told him without offending him.
Magistrate sums up that this is low level crime. £400 fine £40 victim compo

Its the bold above that makes this a stty thing for me.

If my sis were a cam girl, hell she might be who knows, then that's fine and up to her. If my mate said he saw it, again its a bit awkward but that's fine.
If my mate sent me an anonymous email that straight off brings up a pic of my sis wrist deep in herself that is something I do not ever need to see and would be "distressed" about it.

[jdw100]

Vaud said:

jdw100 said:

I take your point.

However, punching a guy for stealing phones in not, in my view, a crime.

All dealt with without needing the Police anyway.

It is a crime, they both are crimes. Yours is a form of citizen led (and victim led in this case) vigilante justice where you decide on guilt and punishment. Having the victim be judge and punisher isn't a great model as they are not rational, they are too connected to the crime.

I'm not saying that is wrong in every case, but it is still a crime.

You are of course, technically, correct. No argument there.

However my view is that actions should have consequences.

The girl who’s phone we recovered and were able to give back to her was in tears; holiday photos on there, contacts etc...wasn’t backed up.

The guy was a scumbag - potentially ruining someone’s holiday like that.

I have no doubt who has the moral high ground in this story.....and it’s not the thief.

As I mentioned he thought he was going to get, at best, a telling off. His attitude was one of ‘yeah, whatever’. He was wrong and I hope it’s a lesson learnt.

[V8RX7]

The issue IMO is how easily people are "offended / distressed" these days.

I'm more distressed by the lowering of speed limits than I am by seeing a naked pic of a family member or by being punched.

I'm over 40, working in management in the building industry.

I've been run over by a Transit van as he objected that I didn't move out of his way in a car park (there was a huge puddle)

I've been punched by another Manager as he thought I was having a affair with his wife (I wasn't)

I couldn't tell you how many times I've been threatened / shouted / sworn at

I didn't involve the Police in any of them and in my circle that would be considered the norm.

[jlee]

Chap at work is a pussy. He is in to flower arranging. Acts all tough. He is an utter bellend. Treated his ex wife like st for years, and she was a right looker, did some modelling and stuff, a real keeper. Treated her like crap then his world fell in when she left him and had a new bf. Has tried to make her life hell for the past 10 years, unable to let go. He has called the police and social services on many occasions when the kids come over to his with a bruise if they have been scrapping all to try and drive this new (10 years ago) bf out of the ex wife's life. It's the only control he has left on her. Comes in to work and brags about it. He is a selfish sod, see's his kids as little as possible and spends lots of money on himself.

[Black_S3]

V8RX7 said:

The issue IMO is how easily people are "offended / distressed" these days.

I think it’s obvious this has come about from a change of culture in schools that’s resulted in people leaving school unprepared for the real world and unable to sort any of their problems out for themselves without crying to higher powers.