Compulsory masks in shops from 24th and petrol stations

[Graveworm]

Lemming Train said:

...which is a result of more testing, as discussed here over and over again but roundly ignored by trumpets such as yourself.

So between July 8th and August 1st Holland have increased daily testing tenfold?

[bad company]

unident said:

You’re another one of these frothing at the mouth nutters though who insists on daft comments like muzzles so little point trying to have a sensible discussion.

Don’t then.

[MrTrilby]

Lemming Train said:

...which is a result of more testing, as discussed here over and over again but roundly ignored by trumpets such as yourself.

The data suggests otherwise. The proportion of confirmed positive result per test is now trending the wrong way for the Netherlands.

[jm doc]

MrTrilby said:

Lemming Train said:

...which is a result of more testing, as discussed here over and over again but roundly ignored by trumpets such as yourself.

The data suggests otherwise. The proportion of confirmed positive result per test is now trending the wrong way for the Netherlands.

They're getting better at testing, it's more accessible as well and more people are coming forward

This virus is not going away, everyone who is going to get it will get it. There's no such thing as "stopping the virus" The majority of the population are likely to have already had it.

Meanwhile feel free to walk around like a complete d*ck

[Burwood]

Walked into a ‘shop’ today. Wore mask, have been for months. I realise staff don’t have to but as of today I thought customers must. Asked why not (many pottering about without) Told, it’s not our job to enforce. Take up with police. This from a huge chain. It smack of, we want the cash as opposed to our staff feel threatened which is the sell.

I’m guessing that the law is giving them an out

[So]

Has no one posted since Thursday, or has the thread had a serious prune?

[Deep Thought]

NGee said:

Instead of every country doing it's own thing, surely we should all be singing from the same song sheet and surely the people that should be writing the song sheet should be the WHO as the WHO are used to this sort of thing and won't get fooled again.

Here is their latest advice.

We all should listen to them or we'll be fighting in the streets!!

I'm surprised i havent seen more of the WHO references.

[Ham_and_Jam]

Burwood said:

Walked into a ‘shop’ today. Wore mask, have been for months. I realise staff don’t have to but as of today I thought customers must. Asked why not (many pottering about without) Told, it’s not our job to enforce. Take up with police. This from a huge chain. It smack of, we want the cash as opposed to our staff feel threatened which is the sell.

I’m guessing that the law is giving them an out

Why don’t you challenge those who don’t wear masks?

I don’t understand why you think other people should sort it out.

[Cold]

Ham_and_Jam said:

Why don’t you challenge those who don’t wear masks?

I don’t understand why you think other people should sort it out.

They couldn't understand what muffled words were being said from two metres away.

[Popeyed]

Ham_and_Jam said:

Burwood said:

Walked into a ‘shop’ today. Wore mask, have been for months. I realise staff don’t have to but as of today I thought customers must. Asked why not (many pottering about without) Told, it’s not our job to enforce. Take up with police. This from a huge chain. It smack of, we want the cash as opposed to our staff feel threatened which is the sell.

I’m guessing that the law is giving them an out

Why don’t you challenge those who don’t wear masks?

I don’t understand why you think other people should sort it out.

Have there been any reported mass casualties amongst supermarket workers? It would appear not, none at all it would seem, or the hysterical media would have been all over it.

A complete load of rubbish which too many devoid of any common sense or critical thinking ability are unable to question.

[TonyTony]

Anybody else live in or around a local lockdown area?

I got an automated text off the GP telling you to wear a mask in public spaces, it actually gives 1 example as well.. The Mosque.

People are kicking off about other people saying its the BAME community and EID causing outbreaks, but it also seems the official texts are also targetting them.

[Burwood]

Ham_and_Jam said:

Burwood said:

Walked into a ‘shop’ today. Wore mask, have been for months. I realise staff don’t have to but as of today I thought customers must. Asked why not (many pottering about without) Told, it’s not our job to enforce. Take up with police. This from a huge chain. It smack of, we want the cash as opposed to our staff feel threatened which is the sell.

I’m guessing that the law is giving them an out

Why don’t you challenge those who don’t wear masks?

I don’t understand why you think other people should sort it out.

More than happy to do so. It was more a question as to the stores policy vs the requirement by Law.

[TonyTony]

Burwood said:

Walked into a ‘shop’ today. Wore mask, have been for months. I realise staff don’t have to but as of today I thought customers must. Asked why not (many pottering about without) Told, it’s not our job to enforce. Take up with police. This from a huge chain. It smack of, we want the cash as opposed to our staff feel threatened which is the sell.

I’m guessing that the law is giving them an out

Its more than that though, why put staff at risk, you know people are going to be confrontational and at times violent about it.

The law is customers have to wear masks, its enforced by the Police to the public. The store is within their right to deny access without a mask and to allow access without one, its the public choice whether to risk a fine or not.

Also medically exempt people aren't legally required to prove their reason to not wear a mask to you, so it covers that problem as well.

Also staff aren't trained for confrontation, managers are somewhat. So either pay for more security guards on the door and instore to Police masks themselves or put managers on the door all day instead of staff, which is pointless and unnecessary costs when its fine just letting people make their own decision... Like a few people still not wearing one is going to make a difference anyway, if any of it even makes a difference in the first place.

[sospan]

A shop can refuse to deal to deal with a customer unless they comply.. As a first line of dealing this can be done. If it escalates then supervisor/ manager/security step in. They can then call police if necessary. That is what happens with shoplifting.
Same for pubs etc. If there is a limit to numbers they manage it.
How the **** can the police deal with everything?
Ah....as usual the go-to, deal with everything cop out ( no pun intended).
Pass the buck onto the police for everything.
Great isn’t it.....Pistonheads is full of threads about police “wrongdoing” and over zealousness yet they are being asked to police every shop, pub, any location with the same resources and less than clear Covid legislation.
It is basically about people taking on responsibility for their actions.

[TonyTony]

sospan said:

A shop can refuse to deal to deal with a customer unless they comply.. As a first line of dealing this can be done. If it escalates then supervisor/ manager/security step in. They can then call police if necessary. That is what happens with shoplifting.
Same for pubs etc. If there is a limit to numbers they manage it.
How the **** can the police deal with everything?
Ah....as usual the go-to, deal with everything cop out ( no pun intended).
Pass the buck onto the police for everything.
Great isn’t it.....Pistonheads is full of threads about police “wrongdoing” and over zealousness yet they are being asked to police every shop, pub, any location with the same resources and less than clear Covid legislation.
It is basically about people taking on responsibility for their actions.

Police pretty much implied themselves they won't police shops, they don't have the resources anyway. If you did get caught they won't on the spot fine you. They'll give you an opportunity to put one on or get out first.

Also they've made it clear they don't want any public to ring in reporting people wearing masks, Lancs Police set up an online forum to report shops with regular people not masked up if you really want to snitch.

[mawallace]

Now here is confusion from the Government -

The Government guidance read, on 31 July 2020 as follows:-


For members of the public, from 8 August the places where you will have to wear a face covering will be expanded to include:

• funeral directors
• premises providing professional, legal or financial services …..

Highlighting mine.

The guidance now reads:-

In England, you must wear a face covering in the following indoor settings (a list of examples for each is included in the brackets):

• public transport (aeroplanes, trains, trams and buses)
• transport hubs (airports, rail and tram stations and terminals, maritime ports and terminals, bus and coach stations and terminals)
• shops and supermarkets (places which offer goods or services for retail sale or hire)
• shopping centres (malls and indoor markets)
• auction houses
• premises providing professional, legal or financial services (post offices, banks, building societies, high-street solicitors and accountants, credit unions, short-term loan providers, savings clubs and money service businesses)

Highlighting mine.

The word “must” and the text that comes after this would suggest that it is a legal requirement that you wear a face covering in an accountant office, such as mine.

However, I have read the latest regulation https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/839/regul... and I note that the following settings were added:-

“5. Indoor places of worship.
6. Community centres including youth centres.
7. Crematoria and burial ground chapels.
8. Public areas in hotels and hostels.
9. Concert halls, exhibition halls and other public halls.
10. Cinemas.
11. Museums, galleries, aquariums, indoor zoos and visitor farms, and other indoor, or indoor parts of, tourist, heritage or cultural sites.
12. Bingo halls.
13. Public libraries and reading rooms.”.

Professional offices are not on the list.

As the owner of an accountancy practice I would like to know if it is Government advice, or the Law, which governs the wearing of face covering.

[TonyTony]

Most of these legislations are for the public, not the worker. Does it define that for the accountants section?

I was at a crem on Friday, no masks. Unless that changed on the 8th as well.

[So]

mawallace said:

Now here is confusion from the Government -

The Government guidance read, on 31 July 2020 as follows:-


For members of the public, from 8 August the places where you will have to wear a face covering will be expanded to include:

• funeral directors
• premises providing professional, legal or financial services …..

Highlighting mine.

The guidance now reads:-

In England, you must wear a face covering in the following indoor settings (a list of examples for each is included in the brackets):

• public transport (aeroplanes, trains, trams and buses)
• transport hubs (airports, rail and tram stations and terminals, maritime ports and terminals, bus and coach stations and terminals)
• shops and supermarkets (places which offer goods or services for retail sale or hire)
• shopping centres (malls and indoor markets)
• auction houses
• premises providing professional, legal or financial services (post offices, banks, building societies, high-street solicitors and accountants, credit unions, short-term loan providers, savings clubs and money service businesses)

Highlighting mine.

The word “must” and the text that comes after this would suggest that it is a legal requirement that you wear a face covering in an accountant office, such as mine.

However, I have read the latest regulation https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/839/regul... and I note that the following settings were added:-

“5. Indoor places of worship.
6. Community centres including youth centres.
7. Crematoria and burial ground chapels.
8. Public areas in hotels and hostels.
9. Concert halls, exhibition halls and other public halls.
10. Cinemas.
11. Museums, galleries, aquariums, indoor zoos and visitor farms, and other indoor, or indoor parts of, tourist, heritage or cultural sites.
12. Bingo halls.
13. Public libraries and reading rooms.”.

Professional offices are not on the list.

As the owner of an accountancy practice I would like to know if it is Government advice, or the Law, which governs the wearing of face covering.

Being an accountant you should be pleased, as you will be less identifiable to carry on committing daylight robbery.

[TonyTony]

The GOV advice actually advises against workers wearing a mask..

"Workplaces should not encourage the precautionary use of extra PPE to protect against COVID-19 outside clinical settings or when responding to a suspected or confirmed case of COVID-19."

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/working-safely-during-... > https://www.gov.uk/guidance/working-safely-during-...

[gareth_r]

mawallace said:

... As the owner of an accountancy practice I would like to know if it is Government advice, or the Law, which governs the wearing of face covering.

The law.

Plus, I suppose, any restrictions you decide to impose on people who come into your premises.