£144 per hour for non emergency plumber
Discussion
Leicester Loyal said:
Mangos he's just trying to bully you into backing down.
Don't pay for legal advice, you've done well up until now, stick with it. Once this is all over you can plaster his name all over social media and let people know what he's actually like.
People need to delete the quote of his real name also.
Chin up Mangos!
Thanks Leicester. Don't pay for legal advice, you've done well up until now, stick with it. Once this is all over you can plaster his name all over social media and let people know what he's actually like.
People need to delete the quote of his real name also.
Chin up Mangos!
I am so close to giving up, but this is the support I need.
On your next point - I think there may be a reason that the bad reviews on social media and google seem to get removed. I dont know what this guy is capable of, but he certainly likes to come across as someone who's not scared of a fight. I dont think he would be too happy if things dont go his way.
Red Devil said:
If it can be used in criminal trials it is reasonable to conclude that it can be in a civil ones as well. Ultimately it will be for the judge to decide one way or the other.
With a potential court case upcoming,I'm not sure your spoofed article is particularly helpful to the OP.
Btw, what's a rouge plumber: one who wears make-up?
Point taken and removed. With a potential court case upcoming,I'm not sure your spoofed article is particularly helpful to the OP.
Btw, what's a rouge plumber: one who wears make-up?
Yes he intimidates his clients with wake up. It's like the BBC don't even proofread anymore...
No offence intended, but he's trading on what he clearly senses is emotional weakness.
In the meantime, hang in there.
Let's see whether PH can produce a white knight to be your champion in the courtroom joust.
mangos said:
I know what you mean because I am even doubting myself here.
mangos said:
I by this point was in tears and really couldn’t say anything else.
Im feeling quite broken.
This concerns me as well tbh. Im feeling quite broken.
mangos said:
Husband now wants to just pay and move on now he’s seen the guy.
We're all just strangers on a forum: you need maximum support in your own back yard.In the meantime, hang in there.
Let's see whether PH can produce a white knight to be your champion in the courtroom joust.
mangos said:
Thanks Leicester.
I am so close to giving up, but this is the support I need.
On your next point - I think there may be a reason that the bad reviews on social media and google seem to get removed. I dont know what this guy is capable of, but he certainly likes to come across as someone who's not scared of a fight. I dont think he would be too happy if things dont go his way.
A person/s with the intensions of doing you harm, do not send a postcard warning you of their intensions. As other posters have stated, his verbal threats are just an attempt at intimidation. I am so close to giving up, but this is the support I need.
On your next point - I think there may be a reason that the bad reviews on social media and google seem to get removed. I dont know what this guy is capable of, but he certainly likes to come across as someone who's not scared of a fight. I dont think he would be too happy if things dont go his way.
As for settling his account, the time to consider the same was at the outset, myself due to the small amount involved, I would have settled, since I would have wanted to move on in my life, rather than carry the stress etc. for the next 6/12/ 24 months.
In my case prior to the court hearing allowed for pre-trial mediation, and I now regret not agreeing with the other party a settlement, the same avoiding the stress of the court hearing, and losing face etc.
Wings said:
A person/s with the intensions of doing you harm, do not send a postcard warning you of their intensions. As other posters have stated, his verbal threats are just an attempt at intimidation.
As for settling his account, the time to consider the same was at the outset, myself due to the small amount involved, I would have settled, since I would have wanted to move on in my life, rather than carry the stress etc. for the next 6/12/ 24 months.
In my case prior to the court hearing allowed for pre-trial mediation, and I now regret not agreeing with the other party a settlement, the same avoiding the stress of the court hearing, and losing face etc.
I think the OP should have taken 50:50 yesterday. She's now got another period of stress and, frankly, I don't think the claimant will walk away from the hearing empty handed. Having seen several friends tackle scarily shoddy tradesmen in the local courts, not one of them has come away with a 100% decision in their favour.As for settling his account, the time to consider the same was at the outset, myself due to the small amount involved, I would have settled, since I would have wanted to move on in my life, rather than carry the stress etc. for the next 6/12/ 24 months.
In my case prior to the court hearing allowed for pre-trial mediation, and I now regret not agreeing with the other party a settlement, the same avoiding the stress of the court hearing, and losing face etc.
V8mate said:
I think the OP should have taken 50:50 yesterday. She's now got another period of stress and, frankly, I don't think the claimant will walk away from the hearing empty handed. Having seen several friends tackle scarily shoddy tradesmen in the local courts, not one of them has come away with a 100% decision in their favour.
I agreed to 50/50 yesterday but it was the plumber who refused Have been following from beginning, but not had anything to add, until now.
No one seems to have picked up on this bit:
If the invoice you signed in your house has IGM Ltd on it (rather than joe blogs trading as ...) then that must be who brings the case. I'm sure way back when this started someone, maybe yourself mangos, posted an entry from company's house showing the limited company.
If me I'd include this in my "evidence pack" to question whether the correct legal body, the company or him, has brought this action (at least that's what it looks like you're doing on the surface).
What you're really doing is saying to the judge: "this bloke stated in a court to a judge [the hearing the other day] he wasn't a ltd company at the time; this/these documents show he was and demonstrate that he is prepared to lie in court. Therefore, can you really believe anything this person tells you ?"
No one seems to have picked up on this bit:
mangos said:
The first thing the judge asked was who the claimant was due to what was on the claim form didn’t match up to the invoice. The guy lied to the judge saying that he was on trading as Igm back then and has only been a limited company in the last 8 months (lie).
Surely you need to work this into your evidence; which you'll disclose when requested prior to the hearing, of course.If the invoice you signed in your house has IGM Ltd on it (rather than joe blogs trading as ...) then that must be who brings the case. I'm sure way back when this started someone, maybe yourself mangos, posted an entry from company's house showing the limited company.
If me I'd include this in my "evidence pack" to question whether the correct legal body, the company or him, has brought this action (at least that's what it looks like you're doing on the surface).
What you're really doing is saying to the judge: "this bloke stated in a court to a judge [the hearing the other day] he wasn't a ltd company at the time; this/these documents show he was and demonstrate that he is prepared to lie in court. Therefore, can you really believe anything this person tells you ?"
Henzy said:
Red Devil said:
If it can be used in criminal trials it is reasonable to conclude that it can be in a civil ones as well. Ultimately it will be for the judge to decide one way or the other.
With a potential court case upcoming,I'm not sure your spoofed article is particularly helpful to the OP.
Btw, what's a rouge plumber: one who wears make-up?
Point taken and removed. With a potential court case upcoming,I'm not sure your spoofed article is particularly helpful to the OP.
Btw, what's a rouge plumber: one who wears make-up?
Yes he intimidates his clients with wake up. It's like the BBC don't even proofread anymore...
V8mate said:
Having seen several friends tackle scarily shoddy tradesmen in the local courts, not one of them has come away with a 100% decision in their favour.
Mangos is where she is, and in principle alone she is a victorious. Even IF IF IF IF she looses, it has cost him 2 days pay & the hassle as well. Despite all his bluff & bluster this wont be a 'casual day in the office' for the him either. Low life's survive off Facebook bravado & that's all he will be presenting to his mates. Myself & some fellow pistonheaders will chip in to help cover her expenses, especially having talked my wife through Mango's experiences.... She is frothing in anger at the audacity of this bellend. She is also biting at the bit to get at his Facebook/googled reviews.... In good time!
I still genuinely feel on a "balence of
probabilities" she has a good case. *WE* just need to ensure she goes in with the right angle to play.
Mango's please ensure you are able to accept private messages. Please post up your plan/ key facts as written down, and the next date, and give us time to advise.
Finally, whatever the outcome please remember, you are not in this alone!
dmsims said:
tony wright said:
Isn’t this the problem. What’s stopping both him and his Son saying they spent over an hour inspecting and testing the pipes. It may be all lies, but the Judge has no idea who’s telling the truth. His lack of scruples will certainly help when it comes to fabricating a story. Op I hope it goes well for you and the scum gets his just rewards.
They did not have leak detection equipment with themThe invoice states "Pipes concealed need leak detection"
Pretty difficult to inspect concealed pipes that don't exist!
Reason I mentioned this is not to worry the Op, but to possibly pre-warn her and if anyone could advise her if it was to happen what she could do.
tony wright said:
Obviously I understand this and have followed the thread since the start, but as previously mentioned... who’s to say the won’t lie and say not only did they have the equipment they also spent the time testing for leaks. It will then be the Op’s Word against theirs.
Reason I mentioned this is not to worry the Op, but to possibly pre-warn her and if anyone could advise her if it was to happen what she could do.
That's where the plumbers - who replaced the boiler (or other) expert witness report comes in handyReason I mentioned this is not to worry the Op, but to possibly pre-warn her and if anyone could advise her if it was to happen what she could do.
tony wright said:
Obviously I understand this and have followed the thread since the start, but as previously mentioned... who’s to say the won’t lie and say not only did they have the equipment they also spent the time testing for leaks. It will then be the Op’s Word against theirs.
Reason I mentioned this is not to worry the Op, but to possibly pre-warn her and if anyone could advise her if it was to happen what she could do.
The invoice they filled out (and Mangos signed, alone, with 2 strange men in her doorway) States leak detection WAS REQUIRED..... Then they billed her as if they had done said leak detection? Reason I mentioned this is not to worry the Op, but to possibly pre-warn her and if anyone could advise her if it was to happen what she could do.
tony wright said:
Obviously I understand this and have followed the thread since the start, but as previously mentioned... who’s to say the won’t lie and say not only did they have the equipment they also spent the time testing for leaks. It will then be the Op’s Word against theirs.
Reason I mentioned this is not to worry the Op, but to possibly pre-warn her and if anyone could advise her if it was to happen what she could do.
I am pretty sure she contacted them soon after disputing the cost & fact they didn't do this work. Added on to the fact she didn't feel comfortable disputing this with them on site. Reason I mentioned this is not to worry the Op, but to possibly pre-warn her and if anyone could advise her if it was to happen what she could do.
Today Mangos stated, I looked through my messenger messages and found one that I have worded as such, and wings quotes the same "I have an old faulty boiler that I'd like to replaced with a Worcester boiler. I was wondering if you could check for a leak and replacing any faulty pipework if so. If you are in the area soon and are interested in quoting, please let me know"
Whilst the plumber has not quoted for the leak detection work, neither does it appear that Mangos has made a prior enquiry of what the costs for the same would be. Mangos's above message does indicate to me Mangos was expecting a freebie leak detection work, and the offer of the plumber quoting for a boiler, was Mangos dangling a carrot for a freebie leak check.
The charge by the plumber is for travelling to Mango's home and for the leak detection work, the latter does not entail the plumber finding a leak, only seeking detection of a possible leak.
Whilst the plumber has not quoted for the leak detection work, neither does it appear that Mangos has made a prior enquiry of what the costs for the same would be. Mangos's above message does indicate to me Mangos was expecting a freebie leak detection work, and the offer of the plumber quoting for a boiler, was Mangos dangling a carrot for a freebie leak check.
The charge by the plumber is for travelling to Mango's home and for the leak detection work, the latter does not entail the plumber finding a leak, only seeking detection of a possible leak.
Wings said:
Today Mangos stated, I looked through my messenger messages and found one that I have worded as such, and wings quotes the same "I have an old faulty boiler that I'd like to replaced with a Worcester boiler. I was wondering if you could check for a leak and replacing any faulty pipework if so. If you are in the area soon and are interested in quoting, please let me know"
Whilst the plumber has not quoted for the leak detection work, neither does it appear that Mangos has made a prior enquiry of what the costs for the same would be. Mangos's above message does indicate to me Mangos was expecting a freebie leak detection work, and the offer of the plumber quoting for a boiler, was Mangos dangling a carrot for a freebie leak check.
The charge by the plumber is for travelling to Mango's home and for the leak detection work, the latter does not entail the plumber finding a leak, only seeking detection of a possible leak.
I paid £42 call out fee as it is. Whilst the plumber has not quoted for the leak detection work, neither does it appear that Mangos has made a prior enquiry of what the costs for the same would be. Mangos's above message does indicate to me Mangos was expecting a freebie leak detection work, and the offer of the plumber quoting for a boiler, was Mangos dangling a carrot for a freebie leak check.
The charge by the plumber is for travelling to Mango's home and for the leak detection work, the latter does not entail the plumber finding a leak, only seeking detection of a possible leak.
I don’t expect anything for free.
I also don’t expect to be charged £144 per hour for no work or even attempt to work
Andeh1 said:
Mangos is where she is, and in principle alone she is a victorious. Even IF IF IF IF she looses, it has cost him 2 days pay & the hassle as well. Despite all his bluff & bluster this wont be a 'casual day in the office' for the him either. Low life's survive off Facebook bravado & that's all he will be presenting to his mates.
Myself & some fellow pistonheaders will chip in to help cover her expenses, especially having talked my wife through Mango's experiences.... She is frothing in anger at the audacity of this bellend. She is also biting at the bit to get at his Facebook/googled reviews.... In good time!
I still genuinely feel on a "balence of
probabilities" she has a good case. *WE* just need to ensure she goes in with the right angle to play.
Mango's please ensure you are able to accept private messages. Please post up your plan/ key facts as written down, and the next date, and give us time to advise.
Finally, whatever the outcome please remember, you are not in this alone!
As soon as I can accept private messages I will let you know. Myself & some fellow pistonheaders will chip in to help cover her expenses, especially having talked my wife through Mango's experiences.... She is frothing in anger at the audacity of this bellend. She is also biting at the bit to get at his Facebook/googled reviews.... In good time!
I still genuinely feel on a "balence of
probabilities" she has a good case. *WE* just need to ensure she goes in with the right angle to play.
Mango's please ensure you are able to accept private messages. Please post up your plan/ key facts as written down, and the next date, and give us time to advise.
Finally, whatever the outcome please remember, you are not in this alone!
And thank you to you and Mrs Andeh for your support
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