The new "rule of six" -- and the absence of an SI
Discussion
Breadvan72 said:
The rule of law is too important to be left just to lawyers!
I am not sure if it is because or despite me being "Authoritarian" but this is abhorrent to me. For individuals, bodies and especially governments (Who seek to hold others to account). If you freely agree to something, you stick to it. That is only ever truly tested, so doubly important, when it comes to "Bad" deals. Pica-Pica said:
Flooble said:
Is it really open to the general public? That seems awfully generous ...
That is becoming normal at big conferences. It does not cost much, so financially is not particularly generous.The main big conferences for lawyers still cost a fair chunk to attend. You pay, in effect, for the networking opportunities, and for profile raising if you have your chambers or law firm name on the sponsorship materials. Only naff conferences charge you to be a speaker. Good ones give you a free ticket if you are a speaker.
The meeting today isn't that type of meeting anyway.
Now got in. Michael Howard and Helena Kennedy discussing judicial review in immigration cases. HK moves him on. Now asking Lord Neuberger if it is time for a fully written Constitution, and for public education on the rule of law.
Neuberger says "300 years with the rule of law and no invasion, no tyranny. Our system is being tested... the price of liberty is eternal vigilance". Prefers to keep current Constitution. Refers to Dominic Grieve, who has, it appears, earlier argued that the situation is now extreme.
Grieve - warns of risk of Constitutional Crisis. The Bill crosses the limits of the Constitution. Parliament can breach international law, but it should not do so. The ouster of judicial review clauses are "extraordinary", "stark", and "offensive to ECHR rights". The Law Officers should have stopped this. They should have resigned
Neuberger says "300 years with the rule of law and no invasion, no tyranny. Our system is being tested... the price of liberty is eternal vigilance". Prefers to keep current Constitution. Refers to Dominic Grieve, who has, it appears, earlier argued that the situation is now extreme.
Grieve - warns of risk of Constitutional Crisis. The Bill crosses the limits of the Constitution. Parliament can breach international law, but it should not do so. The ouster of judicial review clauses are "extraordinary", "stark", and "offensive to ECHR rights". The Law Officers should have stopped this. They should have resigned
Joanna Cherry QC: Lord Keen resigned. It is "extraordinary" that Lord Chancellor and AG have not resigned.
Martin Howe QC (an ultra-Brexiteer, one of the tiny number of Leaver lawyers) says "This is lawyer groupthink", and trots out the BJ line. Accuses EU of bad faith.
Grieve says that although EU could in theory abuse the agreement, the chances of it doing so seem unlikely, because would undermine Good Friday. Says the bad faith is on part of UK. Bill is just leverage position.
Michael Howard backs up Grieve on this - "We signed it!"
Martin Howe QC (an ultra-Brexiteer, one of the tiny number of Leaver lawyers) says "This is lawyer groupthink", and trots out the BJ line. Accuses EU of bad faith.
Grieve says that although EU could in theory abuse the agreement, the chances of it doing so seem unlikely, because would undermine Good Friday. Says the bad faith is on part of UK. Bill is just leverage position.
Michael Howard backs up Grieve on this - "We signed it!"
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 7th October 19:13
A Whatsapp from Martin Howe QC's more moderate brother Robert Howe QC, who is a Tory Libertarian and a Leaver, but still a friend -
Churchill:
You ask, what is our policy? I will say: It is to wage war, by sea, land and air, with all our might and with all the strength that God can give us; to wage war against a monstrous tyranny, never surpassed in the dark and lamentable catalogue of human crime. That is our policy.
Johnson:
You ask, what is our policy? I will say: It is to um, flatten the um, erm ... suppress the, er, you know, um...
Churchill:
You ask, what is our policy? I will say: It is to wage war, by sea, land and air, with all our might and with all the strength that God can give us; to wage war against a monstrous tyranny, never surpassed in the dark and lamentable catalogue of human crime. That is our policy.
Johnson:
You ask, what is our policy? I will say: It is to um, flatten the um, erm ... suppress the, er, you know, um...
You're welcome. You heard all of it. I only heard half. Recording of the meeting here -
https://www.ibanet.org/Implications-of-the-Interna...
https://www.ibanet.org/Implications-of-the-Interna...
Brace yourselves for continuing attacks on the judiciary and the rule of law, as foreshadowed by the inflammatory speeches that Patel and Johnson made to their ravening voter base last week. They even had the gall to blame the near collapse of the criminal justice system, blighted by ten years of Tory misrule following on from years of Blairite **** ups, on lawyers.
Johnson, Cummings, Gove, Patel, and their goons have no attachment to the traditions of liberty and legality in British life. It is a bitter irony that we were all warned last year that Corbyn was the threat to democracy. So he may have been, but a feeble one, not a strong one, as Johnson and his wrecking crew are.
Johnson, Cummings, Gove, Patel, and their goons have no attachment to the traditions of liberty and legality in British life. It is a bitter irony that we were all warned last year that Corbyn was the threat to democracy. So he may have been, but a feeble one, not a strong one, as Johnson and his wrecking crew are.
Breadvan72 said:
Brace yourselves for continuing attacks on the judiciary and the rule of law, as foreshadowed by the inflammatory speeches that Patel and Johnson made to their ravening voter base last week. They even had the gall to blame the near collapse of the criminal justice system, blighted by ten years of Tory misrule following on from years of Blairite **** ups, on lawyers.
Johnson, Cummings, Gove, Patel, and their goons have no attachment to the traditions of liberty and legality in British life. It is a bitter irony that we were all warned last year that Corbyn was the threat to democracy. So he may have been, but a feeble one, not a strong one, as Johnson and his wrecking crew are.
Yes I have been fearing this. Not entirely sure what their gameplan is likely to be (if I did, I'd be in a different line of work entirely). Johnson, Cummings, Gove, Patel, and their goons have no attachment to the traditions of liberty and legality in British life. It is a bitter irony that we were all warned last year that Corbyn was the threat to democracy. So he may have been, but a feeble one, not a strong one, as Johnson and his wrecking crew are.
I was disappointed to see the RAF are going door-to-door in Birmingham "persuading" people to have Covid tests. When the military have begun to acquiesce to government pressure to0 it's not a good sign. Although at the moment the operational use of the military is limited, I do worry about the next move down that path as well.
ETA: I see the government has pressured google to hide the Great Barrington Declaration from search results. That is deeply troubling.
Edited by Flooble on Saturday 10th October 19:54
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