Lucy Letby Guilty

[MustangGT]

PF62 said:

So she has seven life sentences and will never be released, yet they want to spend another vast amount of money retrying the six counts where the last jury couldn't reach a verdict.

And will she actually turn up or take part in the trial - if her current appeal is denied there won't be a lot of incentive to do so.

That was my thought too. Is it in the public interest? Not to me.

[PF62]

Simpo Two said:

PF62 said:

Man-At-Arms said:

and when she appears for sentencing they would be able to see justice

And when she declines to appear...

I believe they are working to make appearance compulsory, though how long that will take to enact I don't know.

That's just politicians spouting to the Daily Mail crowd.

If someone has been convicted of multiple whole life sentences to hear that they are being sent down for yet another whole life sentence, then are they going to sit there quietly or are they more likely to shout obscenities at the judge, the victims family, and everyone else in court.

And that's before you get to the issue of finding court staff who are prepared to risk physical injury dragging the prisoner into the dock and restraining them throughout the sentencing.

[Welcome.]

MustangGT said:

PF62 said:

So she has seven life sentences and will never be released, yet they want to spend another vast amount of money retrying the six counts where the last jury couldn't reach a verdict.

And will she actually turn up or take part in the trial - if her current appeal is denied there won't be a lot of incentive to do so.

That was my thought too. Is it in the public interest? Not to me.

I would think the parents would like to see some kind of justice if she is found guilty of another.

[Jamescrs]

Welcome. said:

I would think the parents would like to see some kind of justice if she is found guilty of another.

I think this is why they will be running a retrial, I would be pretty certain the parents of the baby in this case had a significant say on it.

[MustangGT]

Welcome. said:

MustangGT said:

PF62 said:

So she has seven life sentences and will never be released, yet they want to spend another vast amount of money retrying the six counts where the last jury couldn't reach a verdict.

And will she actually turn up or take part in the trial - if her current appeal is denied there won't be a lot of incentive to do so.

That was my thought too. Is it in the public interest? Not to me.

I would think the parents would like to see some kind of justice if she is found guilty of another.

Is that 'justice', or is it 'closure', or even 'revenge'? It remains fairly obvious that she did it, she has been convicted of a large number of crimes. Surely that is enough?

The court system here in he UK is suffering from lack of resource, why use it on this? What more can the courts do to her? She will remain in prison the rest of her life.

[thatsprettyshady]

I bloody hope they get a conviction or else Twitter will be unreadable.

[Muzzer79]

MustangGT said:

PF62 said:

So she has seven life sentences and will never be released, yet they want to spend another vast amount of money retrying the six counts where the last jury couldn't reach a verdict.

And will she actually turn up or take part in the trial - if her current appeal is denied there won't be a lot of incentive to do so.

That was my thought too. Is it in the public interest? Not to me.

Problem is, she could theoretically appeal the first 7 life sentences and win. If you don't retry the other six counts and convict, she could theoretically be released.

A very far-fetched scenario of course - one would logically assume that if she's guilty for one, she's guilty for all or vice-versa but the law doesn't operate that way.

Best to get her on the hook for whatever she's done and don't leave any loose ends.

[MustangGT]

Muzzer79 said:

MustangGT said:

PF62 said:

So she has seven life sentences and will never be released, yet they want to spend another vast amount of money retrying the six counts where the last jury couldn't reach a verdict.

And will she actually turn up or take part in the trial - if her current appeal is denied there won't be a lot of incentive to do so.

That was my thought too. Is it in the public interest? Not to me.

Problem is, she could theoretically appeal the first 7 life sentences and win. If you don't retry the other six counts and convict, she could theoretically be released.

A very far-fetched scenario of course - one would logically assume that if she's guilty for one, she's guilty for all or vice-versa but the law doesn't operate that way.

Best to get her on the hook for whatever she's done and don't leave any loose ends.

They could retry if she wins her appeal, why bother if that never happens?

[Muzzer79]

MustangGT said:

Muzzer79 said:

MustangGT said:

PF62 said:

So she has seven life sentences and will never be released, yet they want to spend another vast amount of money retrying the six counts where the last jury couldn't reach a verdict.

And will she actually turn up or take part in the trial - if her current appeal is denied there won't be a lot of incentive to do so.

That was my thought too. Is it in the public interest? Not to me.

Problem is, she could theoretically appeal the first 7 life sentences and win. If you don't retry the other six counts and convict, she could theoretically be released.

A very far-fetched scenario of course - one would logically assume that if she's guilty for one, she's guilty for all or vice-versa but the law doesn't operate that way.

Best to get her on the hook for whatever she's done and don't leave any loose ends.

They could retry if she wins her appeal, why bother if that never happens?

a) if she wins her appeal for the first 7 life sentences (again; unlikely) she would theoretically be released. Can you imagine the uproar?

b) Think about the families in the 6 cases where the jury couldn't reach a verdict. If it were your child, wouldn't you want closure and to know that the person who did it was convicted?
The fact that she's in jail for life already for other crimes arguably isn't punishment enough.

[agtlaw]

PF62 said:

WPA said:

She is facing a new trial: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-6...

So she has seven life sentences and will never be released, yet they want to spend another vast amount of money retrying the six counts where the last jury couldn't reach a verdict.

And will she actually turn up or take part in the trial - if her current appeal is denied there won't be a lot of incentive to do so.

If you actually read the article:

- 14 whole life orders. Not seven.
- the retrial is one of the counts. Not six.
- the remaining (five) counts left to lie on file.
- she appeared by video link at the hearing

[PF62]

agtlaw said:

PF62 said:

WPA said:

She is facing a new trial: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-6...

So she has seven life sentences and will never be released, yet they want to spend another vast amount of money retrying the six counts where the last jury couldn't reach a verdict.

And will she actually turn up or take part in the trial - if her current appeal is denied there won't be a lot of incentive to do so.

If you actually read the article:

- 14 whole life orders. Not seven.
- the retrial is one of the counts. Not six.
- the remaining (five) counts left to lie on file.
- she appeared by video link at the hearing

One, two, three, whatever - still pretty pointless, and that's before you get to the fun of finding a jury for this one that hasn't pre-decided the case based on all the material that has been in the press since the first seven whole life sentences were handed out.

[agtlaw]

PF62 said:

One, two, three, whatever - still pretty pointless, and that's before you get to the fun of finding a jury for this one that hasn't pre-decided the case based on all the material that has been in the press since the first seven whole life sentences were handed out.

Again, 14.

[Cyberprog]

agtlaw said:

If you actually read the article:

- 14 whole life orders. Not seven.
- the retrial is one of the counts. Not six.
- the remaining (five) counts left to lie on file.
- she appeared by video link at the hearing

If she wins the appeal on the one, is it not likely that she will look to appeal the others also? It may be that the courts are just doing the one to spare the parents a lot of the trauma that the original trial no doubt caused.

[agtlaw]

Cyberprog said:

If she wins the appeal on the one, is it not likely that she will look to appeal the others also? It may be that the courts are just doing the one to spare the parents a lot of the trauma that the original trial no doubt caused.

This post makes no sense.

[Derek Smith]

Muzzer79 said:

a) if she wins her appeal for the first 7 life sentences (again; unlikely) she would theoretically be released. Can you imagine the uproar?

b) Think about the families in the 6 cases where the jury couldn't reach a verdict. If it were your child, wouldn't you want closure and to know that the person who did it was convicted?
The fact that she's in jail for life already for other crimes arguably isn't punishment enough.

All court cases are a risk, to be balanced against benefits. Nothing is set in stone. You can go in with what appears to be an open and shut case, and the jury decide not to convict. It's frustrating at best. In other words, there is no certainty that she will be convicted in this case despite the previous findings of guilt. Remember, the jury that was unable to convict her last time were convinced by the evidence presented to them for the ones they did find for.

I understand that the NoK might feel it imperative, but it will be an expensive exercise, and she will not receive greater punishment. Other cases will be delayed and there's nothing like delay to encourage prosecution witness not to bother to turn up.

With a better funded legal system in this country, it might well be worth it, but it's struggling currently.

[stemll]

Cyberprog said:

agtlaw said:

If you actually read the article:

- 14 whole life orders. Not seven.
- the retrial is one of the counts. Not six.
- the remaining (five) counts left to lie on file.
- she appeared by video link at the hearing

If she wins the appeal on the one, is it not likely that she will look to appeal the others also? It may be that the courts are just doing the one to spare the parents a lot of the trauma that the original trial no doubt caused.

It isn't an appeal, it is a retrial for one of the cases that the original jury could not return a verdict for.

[visitinglondon]

Allegro_Snapon said:

Your account being hacked Fermit?

When Letby was free were you not with "Sexy Sarah"?

Your are in the East of England but this happened in the West?

Suggest you check who is posting you posts.....

Whatever happened to Sexy Sarah? Did she get sexy with someone else?

[carinaman]

I've not followed the case, but again appreciated agtlaw's contributions.

[italianjob1275]

italianjob1275 said:

I’ve been listening to the podcast following this trial from start to finish and now covering the failings of the hospital management.

Would corporate manslaughter be at all relevant?


https://open.spotify.com/episode/1LuFEJeUmmQ7xTSJM...

I should have been a lawyer…

Lucy Letby: Corporate manslaughter probe at Chester hospital https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-6...

[agtlaw]

Leave to appeal against convicted refused.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-6...

As the article says, she could now renew the application for leave before the full court.