ANPR at the pump.....
Discussion
Dibble said:
From the article:
Huddersfield Daily examiner said:
If there is a match, police are alerted.
Where are these extra Police to respond to these calls going to be coming from...?
Dunno, i did wonder that. Plus how long will it take them to get there, even assuming there is an officer available??
I doubt the dodgy car is gonna wait for them!
Dibble said:
From the article:
Huddersfield Daily examiner said:
If there is a match, police are alerted.
Where are these extra Police to respond to these calls going to be coming from...?
Thats easy. Its a motorist thing so theyll instantly come charging outa the canteen, doughnuts still clamped tightly in their hand, and a half drunk coke(diet of course) in the other.....Now, if its a burglar report...no interest at all......
Regarding the big brother aspect, the question of me sitting outside your house continually watching you, waiting for you hawk like to commit even the most minor chargeable crime, would YOU like that? NO? Then what makes you think WE should all be survielled and NOT YOU?
Creeps in a bit at a time, and before you know it...BANG! Theres another bit of your liberty removed.
Wake up.
zcacogp said:
As someone who stands around £1000 out of pocket as a result of two non-fault accidents with uninsured drivers in the last 4 years, I will actively and loudly campaign for greater use of ANPR on the roads in my area. I don't have much truck with civil liberties people, and none of the arguments posted here have done anything to make me change my mind.
Yes, as somebody who drives on TPFT insurance being hit by an uninsured driver (or somebody who legs it) is of much greater concern to me than theft or vandalism.
However at the moment the ANPR is being used JUST enough that plenty people are caught but not so much that "average joe" is rushing to clone their cars. If people were to replace their plates as a regular thing then it would not only reduce the number of hits but increase the hassle for the legitimate owner.
All the cars I drive are practically unique in the UK so am unlikely to ever be a target for cloning.
There was a case in The Times where the person found the actual car that was causing them tickets but the police refused to come out and deal with it (there was even a freshly rolled joint on the passenger's seat!). The person let down the tyres , called The Times and then called the police back and told them. The car was removed within the hour and was found to have been stolen. The offender was not caught because a sting operation would have taken too much manpower.
Of course the number plate requirements were tightened up recently but there are always people willing to make up plates without documents - either because they don't care or because they know there is a market for it. And then there are plenty of mail order number plate shops outside England.
Gareth
>> Edited by g_attrill on Thursday 15th July 16:27
g_attrill said:
Of course the number plate requirements were tightened up recently but there are always people willing to make up plates without documents - either because they don't care or because they know there is a market for it. And then there are plenty of mail order number plate shops outside England.
You mean like the numerous internet sites that offer plates at a few clicks?
In any case, it's not that hard to make your own plates.
deltaf said:
deltaf said:
Now, if its a burglar report...no interest at all...
You'd get plenty interest from me.
Cheers mate.
No worries. More people are affected by burglary and the like than by fatal RTCs. I have no problem whatsoever lifting thieves, burglars and the like.
I just wish they got the punishment they truly deserve...
Dibble said:
Dibble said:
deltaf said:
Now, if its a burglar report...no interest at all...
You'd get plenty interest from me.
Cheers mate.
No worries. More people are affected by burglary and the like than by fatal RTCs. I have no problem whatsoever lifting thieves, burglars and the like.
I just wish they got the punishment they truly deserve...
So do we all mate, in fact some of the judges decisions are criminal....
So,our Police are chomping on doughnuts in canteens are they? And they don't care about criminals?
Isn't it sad in this day and age that people still think the Police sit around in canteens eating dougnuts. They're doing a job that the huge majority of the public would probably be incapable of doing. Working shifts which ruin their health, being regularly assaulted and injured by people who recieve no punishment, seeing things which would make most people puke, dealing with things that would make most people clinically depressed. And all for an increasingly ungrateful public. But hey, lets just forget that and start talking about ridiculous things like cctv in our front rooms, making a complate farce of the original post.....
We live in one of the most free countries on Earth. No i don't like Tony Blair or the Conservatives, i hate speed camera's and our joke of a criminal justice system that will punish people for the most tedious of traffic offences because they're an easy target. But i am a free man. Some peole here don't realize how lucky they are, like having the freedom of speech for us all to have civilised debates like this. This country is far from perfect and some of you quite rightly state it's slowly going to the dogs, but lets just take a step back every now and again and realize how it could all be a damn sight worse.....
Peace to you all. Now lets continue to enjoy our freedom and debate on......
hornet said:
In that case..you go into the shop area..hand over your cash and cashier will dish your petrol.
Anyway...it's all pipedreams at the moment... Street
It isn't. There are gagares using this technology now.
My local Morrisons Petrol Station has a sign on each pump saying, 'please wait for petrol flow, they may be some delay as the camera must take your plate details before dispensing fuel' or something like that 
Themoss said:
So,our Police are chomping on doughnuts in canteens are they? And they don't care about criminals?
Isn't it sad in this day and age that people still think the Police sit around in canteens eating dougnuts. They're doing a job that the huge majority of the public would probably be incapable of doing. Working shifts which ruin their health, being regularly assaulted and injured by people who recieve no punishment, seeing things which would make most people puke, dealing with things that would make most people clinically depressed. And all for an increasingly ungrateful public.
Thanks. Although no-one's actually forcing me to work for the cops...
Seriously thinking about jacking it all in at the moment and buggering off to France to run a B&B...
You wanna calm down Themoss......
The doughnuts and not bothering to catch real crooks is of course a just a bit of a joke, it wasnt meant to be taken seriously, which is why i feel Dibble and the other cops didnt bite.
However you still havent answered my question: Would you like me to surveill you against your wishes?
After all, if youre not doing anything wrong, youve nothing to hide, so you wont say no.
Hope that makes you feel the way the thought of camera's spying on me feels, maybe then youll get the message.
The doughnuts and not bothering to catch real crooks is of course a just a bit of a joke, it wasnt meant to be taken seriously, which is why i feel Dibble and the other cops didnt bite.
However you still havent answered my question: Would you like me to surveill you against your wishes?
After all, if youre not doing anything wrong, youve nothing to hide, so you wont say no.
Hope that makes you feel the way the thought of camera's spying on me feels, maybe then youll get the message.
A camera, fixed in one place which notes the index of passing vehicles, checks them against a database, then gives a result with anything of criminal interest. How did we get from that to you being outside my house filming my comings and goings? Don't quite see the connection. Surely we could all just make-up 'worst case scenario's' for everything in our lives. Thats not the subject.
In answer to your question......I would have NO problem at all with a camera in my street. Honestly. In fact i'd feel safer.
Some people have raised very good points in relation to this, especially the situation of someone who buys a car that was once owned by a 'dodgy' person and can no longer get petrol. But we've all gone a bit off topic, granted, myself included.....
Themoss said:
A camera, fixed in one place which notes the index of passing vehicles, checks them against a database, then gives a result with anything of criminal interest. How did we get from that to you being outside my house filming my comings and goings? Don't quite see the connection. Surely we could all just make-up 'worst case scenario's' for everything in our lives. Thats not the subject.
In answer to your question......I would have NO problem at all with a camera in my street. Honestly. In fact i'd feel safer.
Some people have raised very good points in relation to this, especially the situation of someone who buys a car that was once owned by a 'dodgy' person and can no longer get petrol. But we've all gone a bit off topic, granted, myself included.....
Its not the fact that the police use anpr to catch the scumbags who deserve to be nabbed, i dont have a problem with that. I do have a problem with cameras popping up all over the place including covert ones and the "evidence"/images whatever being used for "other" purpose, as this one surely will be.
Just like the congestion charge cams being used for public survillence after the end of the charging period.
They wernt designed for that use, but theyve been perverted for alternative uses, the information being used by who, for what, and why.
Thats MY worry, and cams arent a cure for problems that we should have COPS on the streets to sort out.
Hope that clarifies my position a little.
Regards, deltaf.
With every advance in technology, we lose a little privacy. For each new type of camera, just a bit more freedom is lost. Eventually there will be a web-cam in your domestic TV, reporting back to your signal provider who you are, what you watch, what you are doing when you watch (ewwww!!).
This isn't alarmist, but soon we will all be public property and it won't be good.
This isn't alarmist, but soon we will all be public property and it won't be good.
Haven't read all 5 pages,so firgive me if its been said before. So when this is effective and the scroates stop going to petrol stations for fear of being caught what do they do. 
back to syphoning it out of parked cars etc. A usual it'll just move the problem on, out of sight, until we then all have these cameras installed at home, checking up on the cars that drive past..............................
Don't know what the solution is though, apart from chopping their limbs off.
Harry
back to syphoning it out of parked cars etc. A usual it'll just move the problem on, out of sight, until we then all have these cameras installed at home, checking up on the cars that drive past.............................. Don't know what the solution is though, apart from chopping their limbs off
. Harry
Streetcop said:
"I don't know how I do it for the wages..." echoes around the patrol car.....
However, even with my spidersense, ANPR is far superior. Street
Streetcop said:
I don't make love to my wife in public, nor do I walk around naked, or sit scratching my balls watching TV in public...OK...
I thank you...
Street
>> Edited by Streetcop on Thursday 15th July 12:25
Street - you make me laugh
But with all your posts do your constabulary know you have a laptop rigged up in the patrol car and are bouncing your posts out through the PoliceNet
deltaf said:
Dont agree with it being used anywhere other than the way its currently being used.
If anpr is used at pertol stations, next itll be your local shops, then itll be everywhere, peeking out at you from behind the cheese counter.
More big brother bullshit.
Answer is to remove your plates. Cant read it cant do anything.
It is already on the Tay bridge along with another camera that clocks the front seat occupants.......
MoJo.
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