Legal advice/bullying police?
Discussion
Thanks to all the genuine replies, and to all those that just wish to discuss either female bad driving habits, or more specifically how STUPID my girlfriend is... she was not holding the phone, it was on the dashboard in the indentation which is designed to hold things (although admittedly it's not a specific phone cradle...), she was not touching it and can not even see the screen from where she sits, she simply was listening to the directions, which probably explains her 8 years NCD and previously completely clean license.
I expected replies and I apologise for not giving full exacting details when I wrote the original post however it had been a very long day and I was tired. However I am now going to remove myself from the conversation as I feel quite offended by the smarmy all knowing comments aimed at myself and my partner. I feel that a few of my fellow pistonheaders have let me down by jumping the gun and going on the personal offence when all that was needed was to wait for me to respond to the initial questions.
Thanks to:
"Pothole"
"tulloch"
"Crossflow Kid"
"TPS"
"Hustle Russell"
"james280779"
A more genuine thanks goes to those that were able to advise (on both sides) without being a
holes about it.
I expected replies and I apologise for not giving full exacting details when I wrote the original post however it had been a very long day and I was tired. However I am now going to remove myself from the conversation as I feel quite offended by the smarmy all knowing comments aimed at myself and my partner. I feel that a few of my fellow pistonheaders have let me down by jumping the gun and going on the personal offence when all that was needed was to wait for me to respond to the initial questions.
Thanks to:
"Pothole"
"tulloch"
"Crossflow Kid"
"TPS"
"Hustle Russell"
"james280779"
A more genuine thanks goes to those that were able to advise (on both sides) without being a
holes about it.RudolphsOwner said:
Thanks to all the genuine replies, and to all those that just wish to discuss either female bad driving habits, or more specifically how STUPID my girlfriend is... she was not holding the phone, it was on the dashboard in the indentation which is designed to hold things (although admittedly it's not a specific phone cradle...), she was not touching it and can not even see the screen from where she sits, she simply was listening to the directions, which probably explains her 8 years NCD and previously completely clean license.
I expected replies and I apologise for not giving full exacting details when I wrote the original post however it had been a very long day and I was tired. However I am now going to remove myself from the conversation as I feel quite offended by the smarmy all knowing comments aimed at myself and my partner. I feel that a few of my fellow pistonheaders have let me down by jumping the gun and going on the personal offence when all that was needed was to wait for me to respond to the initial questions.
Thanks to:
"Pothole"
"tulloch"
"Crossflow Kid"
"TPS"
"Hustle Russell"
"james280779"
A more genuine thanks goes to those that were able to advise (on both sides) without being aholes about it.
All that was needed was the full story, for goodness' sake.I expected replies and I apologise for not giving full exacting details when I wrote the original post however it had been a very long day and I was tired. However I am now going to remove myself from the conversation as I feel quite offended by the smarmy all knowing comments aimed at myself and my partner. I feel that a few of my fellow pistonheaders have let me down by jumping the gun and going on the personal offence when all that was needed was to wait for me to respond to the initial questions.
Thanks to:
"Pothole"
"tulloch"
"Crossflow Kid"
"TPS"
"Hustle Russell"
"james280779"
A more genuine thanks goes to those that were able to advise (on both sides) without being a
holes about it.KevinA3DSG32 said:
PoleDriver said:
ShampooEfficient said:
If she wasn't touching it, what reason did the officer have for thinking she was texting?
This!
mat777 said:
to all those saying the legislation is a blanket ban on using phones whilst driving even when mounted and doing satnav... if this is the case then why can one purchase a TomTom satnav app for smartphones? Hmm?
I can buy beer on my Phone, does that mean i can drink that while i drive aswell?harry010 said:
james280779 said:
A lawyer spends nearly a decade - most of it on one subject to become qualified. A police officer has six months to cover ALL subjects to the same standard as a Laywer. He also has to learn to make these decisions which a lawyer will spend up to five years picking apart in a matter of seconds.
I am a corporate lawyer, my brother is a Police Officer. He would be the first to admit he knows nowhere near as much about the law as I do.Streaky
jazzyjeff said:
J5 said:
marshalla said:
ED209 said:
Show me this pice of law then I am not aware of such a term being used?
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2003/2695/regulation/2/madelegislation said:
(c)
“interactive communication function” includes the following:
(i)sending or receiving oral or written messages;
(ii)sending or receiving facsimile documents;
(iii)sending or receiving still or moving images; and
(iv) providing access to the internet;
“interactive communication function” includes the following:
(i)sending or receiving oral or written messages;
(ii)sending or receiving facsimile documents;
(iii)sending or receiving still or moving images; and
(iv) providing access to the internet;
Streaky
streaky said:
daz3210 said:
... the law states use FOR INTERACTIVE COMMUNICATION. That suggests to me that you have to be communicating with a person, not a set of satellites.
legal persons and systems "interact".Streaky
However, I do think the intention if for 'interactive communication' to be meaning between two persons. Thus, the exemption for radios?
streaky said:
daz3210 said:
... the law states use FOR INTERACTIVE COMMUNICATION. That suggests to me that you have to be communicating with a person, not a set of satellites.
legal persons and systems "interact".Streaky
A GPS device simply listens for a (time based)signal, and calculates a position based on what it is receiving. The satellite that the GPS device is 'interacting' with plays no part in the interaction, save for transmitting blind the info it transmits. Hence the GPS and satellite interact, but the communication is not interactive if you get my drift.
Interactive to me means that some alteration to response is required by the recipient at each end of the communication loop.
ED209 said:
Notin proper control of vehicle would also cover this anyway, if the op persists in arguing that holding a phone in order to navigate is not using it.
Would the hypothetical man/woman on the street class navigation using their phone as using it? Of course they would!
Unfortunately the 'man on the street' does not define what the law is, and the 'man on the street' is usually a crap lawyer...Would the hypothetical man/woman on the street class navigation using their phone as using it? Of course they would!
JustinP1 said:
ED209 said:
Notin proper control of vehicle would also cover this anyway, if the op persists in arguing that holding a phone in order to navigate is not using it.
Would the hypothetical man/woman on the street class navigation using their phone as using it? Of course they would!
Unfortunately the 'man on the street' does not define what the law is, and the 'man on the street' is usually a crap lawyer...Would the hypothetical man/woman on the street class navigation using their phone as using it? Of course they would!
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