I got caught...
Discussion
Sheepshanks said:
Mk3Spitfire said:
Yes...mornings, afternoons, evenings, 6 days a week, all over the place. It's ALMOST as if they're trying to make it more accessible for people? (Sorry if this doesn't sit well with your skewed view of the SAC system).
If they really just wanted you to hand over your money, they would make it 9-5 mon to fri without exception, and if you missed it would increase the fine.
No, that wouldn't work because they don't get to keep the money from fixed penalties or fines anymore.If they really just wanted you to hand over your money, they would make it 9-5 mon to fri without exception, and if you missed it would increase the fine.
Edited by btcc123 on Saturday 25th July 09:29
eldar said:
Be fair, SAC is an industry now, established and profitable. 12 people at £100 a time. Twice a day, 3 days a week.
The Staffs SAC (perhaps they're better at catching people - at least at the "right" speeds?) runs in 6 (I said 5 earlier but apparently it's 6 now)locations, 6 days per week and 3 times per day at some locations. 20 people per course. They charge £80 - hmm... wonder why they've pitched it a bit less than the fixed penalty?
btcc123 said:
The police do not get the money from the Speed Awareness Courses either as its run mainly by a private company and some county councils.
It's the other way around - they're mainly run by county councils. Some contract out to firms either run by ex-Police, or with heavy ex-police involvement. Cheshire's are run by Cheshire Constabulary.Either way, usually one of the presenters of the course will be ex-traffic.
ETA: TTC2000 runs courses in a few counties. Nice work after retirement if you can get it: http://ttc-uk.com/news.aspx?b=336&id=65CEDAFA-...
Edited by Sheepshanks on Saturday 25th July 09:42
Sheepshanks said:
The Staffs SAC (perhaps they're better at catching people - at least at the "right" speeds?) runs in 6 (I said 5 earlier but apparently it's 6 now)locations, 6 days per week and 3 times per day at some locations. 20 people per course.
They charge £80 - hmm... wonder why they've pitched it a bit less than the fixed penalty?
Wow, so Staffs do over 100,000 individuals on SACs per year do they? They charge £80 - hmm... wonder why they've pitched it a bit less than the fixed penalty?
yet again
LoonR1 said:
Sheepshanks said:
The Staffs SAC (perhaps they're better at catching people - at least at the "right" speeds?) runs in 6 (I said 5 earlier but apparently it's 6 now)locations, 6 days per week and 3 times per day at some locations. 20 people per course.
They charge £80 - hmm... wonder why they've pitched it a bit less than the fixed penalty?
Wow, so Staffs do over 100,000 individuals on SACs per year do they? They charge £80 - hmm... wonder why they've pitched it a bit less than the fixed penalty?
yet againIn some places it must be a ferocious rate - a colleague did one after being caught in the M42 variable at 46 when it was set for 40 at 6AM when the road was clear. Almost everyone on his course had been caught the same way.
There was a bit of flap about getting him on a course as his car is leased, the paperwork went astray and it looked like he was going to run out of time, but amazingly they managed to squeeze him in.
The minimum prosecution speed eligable for a course is 35 so even if the police did prosecute at 34 or 33 or lower in a 30 limit the offender wouldn't get on a course.
The police can prosecute for less tha 35 in a 30, the speed enforcement guidelines explain how but just like 'experts' on here the police are not likely to have read and fully understood the guidance available to them. RTFM I believe is the phrase that applies.
The police can prosecute for less tha 35 in a 30, the speed enforcement guidelines explain how but just like 'experts' on here the police are not likely to have read and fully understood the guidance available to them. RTFM I believe is the phrase that applies.
Edited by tapereel on Saturday 25th July 10:32
Sheepshanks said:
The TTC2000 article I linked to says they do over 300,000 per year.
In some places it must be a ferocious rate - a colleague did one after being caught in the M42 variable at 46 when it was set for 40 at 6AM when the road was clear. Almost everyone on his course had been caught the same way.
There was a bit of flap about getting him on a course as his car is leased, the paperwork went astray and it looked like he was going to run out of time, but amazingly they managed to squeeze him in.
why the surprise?In some places it must be a ferocious rate - a colleague did one after being caught in the M42 variable at 46 when it was set for 40 at 6AM when the road was clear. Almost everyone on his course had been caught the same way.
There was a bit of flap about getting him on a course as his car is leased, the paperwork went astray and it looked like he was going to run out of time, but amazingly they managed to squeeze him in.
Sheepshanks said:
The TTC2000 article I linked to says they do over 300,000 per year.
In some places it must be a ferocious rate - a colleague did one after being caught in the M42 variable at 46 when it was set for 40 at 6AM when the road was clear. Almost everyone on his course had been caught the same way.
There was a bit of flap about getting him on a course as his car is leased, the paperwork went astray and it looked like he was going to run out of time, but amazingly they managed to squeeze him in.
You conveniently ignore the fleet stuff that they do. Regardless of that lets get an explicit statement from you. Do you believe that Staffs do over 100,000 people on SACs every year?In some places it must be a ferocious rate - a colleague did one after being caught in the M42 variable at 46 when it was set for 40 at 6AM when the road was clear. Almost everyone on his course had been caught the same way.
There was a bit of flap about getting him on a course as his car is leased, the paperwork went astray and it looked like he was going to run out of time, but amazingly they managed to squeeze him in.
Funk said:
Tbh, it seems most insurers treat SAC the same as points now anyway (never used to have to declare the SAC bust most ask now). I'd just take the points and avoid having to do the course I think.
My gf works for Hastings direct, they never ask about SAC, just points & convictions.LoonR1 said:
eldar said:
Be fair, SAC is an industry now, established and profitable. 12 people at £100 a time. Twice a day, 3 days a week. Compulsory, non flexible attendance would have the punters taking points, and impact the bottom line, bad for business. Beats dealing with criminals and adds a few grand to the pension.
They ought to extend the scheme to other crimes. Burglary awareness courses for the small time thieves?
This makes no sense at all. If SACs didn't exist then it'd be 3 points and £100 fine. You still have the option to take the points. They ought to extend the scheme to other crimes. Burglary awareness courses for the small time thieves?
Or are you naive enough to think that if there were no SACs all of a sudden you'd get away with it?
GPSHead said:
LoonR1 said:
eldar said:
Be fair, SAC is an industry now, established and profitable. 12 people at £100 a time. Twice a day, 3 days a week. Compulsory, non flexible attendance would have the punters taking points, and impact the bottom line, bad for business. Beats dealing with criminals and adds a few grand to the pension.
They ought to extend the scheme to other crimes. Burglary awareness courses for the small time thieves?
This makes no sense at all. If SACs didn't exist then it'd be 3 points and £100 fine. You still have the option to take the points. They ought to extend the scheme to other crimes. Burglary awareness courses for the small time thieves?
Or are you naive enough to think that if there were no SACs all of a sudden you'd get away with it?
I have to say that there's a failure to look beyonfpd the emd of your nose here. The world has changed and continues to, little is the same as it was in 2007 around technology.
E92Dan said:
LoonR1 said:
I don't give a flying wotsit whether you did or didn't. I suggested that others are asking for proof from a poster on here already amd will do the same for you. You obviously care enough to post.
I won the Euromillions earlier this evening.
Well done. Spend it wisely.I won the Euromillions earlier this evening.
E92Dan said:
What's the point, even if I do find the original paperwork I will just get accused of printing it out myself! I did do a speed awareness course for doing 34 in a 30, if you don't believe that then fine.
We'd still like to see it and you could be famous (on PH) for showing it. Please.Bert
E92Dan said:
What's the point, even if I do find the original paperwork I will just get accused of printing it out myself! I did do a speed awareness course for doing 34 in a 30, if you don't believe that then fine.
No you would not. The issue is that NO ONE has ever proved getting done at 34 so we are all waiting for tbe proof.garyhun said:
E92Dan said:
What's the point, even if I do find the original paperwork I will just get accused of printing it out myself! I did do a speed awareness course for doing 34 in a 30, if you don't believe that then fine.
No you would not. The issue is that NO ONE has ever proved getting done at 34 so we are all waiting for tbe proof.
k do you think you are, you bullying POS!). I (or anyone else) am not trying to claim any bragging rights about how low a speed we got NIP'd at, why would I? What I was doing was to empathise with the OP, that is all.
I'd have got less bile for saying I f
ked my grandma up the arse whilst doing 85 in a 30.Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff