Adult threatening a child with violence
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Devil2575 said:
Wonders? In that the children learn yo be afraid of you so behave? They also learn that it's ok to hit someone smaller than them.
Fear or respect? My father was awarded both and rightly so. Besides this softly softly namby pamby society we have today is the ruin of us all. Every generation becomes weaker then the last. I'm pretty sure that the whinging people of today would have had their whinings knocked out of them in my school play ground.Devil2575 said:
Boosted LS1 said:
Some children deserve a good smack. Short sharp and immediate can work wonders. Afterwards family life can continue as normal.
Wonders? In that the children learn you be afraid of you so behave? They also learn that it's ok to hit someone smaller than them.Boosted LS1 said:
Devil2575 said:
Wonders? In that the children learn yo be afraid of you so behave? They also learn that it's ok to hit someone smaller than them.
Fear or respect? My father was awarded both and rightly so. Besides this softly softly namby pamby society we have today is the ruin of us all. Every generation becomes weaker then the last. I'm pretty sure that the whinging people of today would have had their whinings knocked out of them in my school play ground.singlecoil said:
Devil2575 said:
Boosted LS1 said:
Some children deserve a good smack. Short sharp and immediate can work wonders. Afterwards family life can continue as normal.
Wonders? In that the children learn you be afraid of you so behave? They also learn that it's ok to hit someone smaller than them.Yawn and when you get threatened by a mugger you'll run to the biggest most violent bloke you can find to protect you. Because you can't do it yourself and neither can your children.
Violence or at the low end, child smacking is an emotion, a human trait. Smacking isn't an abuse if it's balanced with love and done for caring reasons. You can't talk it out of an alpha male. It's been bred in. It's his responsibility. How long will your 'reasoning' logic survive in a country where violence hasn't afforded you the protection to hold your views? Could you stand up to a violent person or would you want your children to negotiate the hand over for you?
Violence or at the low end, child smacking is an emotion, a human trait. Smacking isn't an abuse if it's balanced with love and done for caring reasons. You can't talk it out of an alpha male. It's been bred in. It's his responsibility. How long will your 'reasoning' logic survive in a country where violence hasn't afforded you the protection to hold your views? Could you stand up to a violent person or would you want your children to negotiate the hand over for you?
Boosted LS1 said:
Fear or respect? My father was awarded both and rightly so. Besides this softly softly namby pamby society we have today is the ruin of us all. Every generation becomes weaker then the last. I'm pretty sure that the whinging people of today would have had their whinings knocked out of them in my school play ground.
It is possible to have Fear AND Respect. I have respect for my father, as a kid I had fear as well - for the consequences - no bad thing. If I didn't have fear for the consequences - I would have been a right little s
t.Many little s
ts have no respect for anyone or anything - they only understand fear. So why bend over for them.Boosted LS1 said:
Yawn and when you get threatened by a mugger you'll run to the biggest most violent bloke you can find to protect you. Because you can't do it yourself and neither can your children.
Violence or at the low end, child smacking is an emotion, a human trait. Smacking isn't an abuse if it's balanced with love and done for caring reasons. You can't talk it out of an alpha male. It's been bred in. It's his responsibility. How long will your 'reasoning' logic survive in a country where violence hasn't afforded you the protection to hold your views? Could you stand up to a violent person or would you want your children to negotiate the hand over for you?
I'm not sure what most of that has to do with smacking my children. Violence or at the low end, child smacking is an emotion, a human trait. Smacking isn't an abuse if it's balanced with love and done for caring reasons. You can't talk it out of an alpha male. It's been bred in. It's his responsibility. How long will your 'reasoning' logic survive in a country where violence hasn't afforded you the protection to hold your views? Could you stand up to a violent person or would you want your children to negotiate the hand over for you?
Whether I can protect myself or my family has no bearing on whether I smack my kids.
Rovinghawk said:
Devil2575 said:
Wonders? In that the children learn yo be afraid of you so behave? They also learn that it's ok to hit someone smaller than them.
"Law, without force, is impotent." Pascal
Summary - Boy learns early what girls are like. A valuable life lesson me thinks.
There will be plenty more like this over his lifetime.
I think I'd be advising the lad to steer clear of this one and move on. It's all fairly typical primary school shenanigans what with overprotective nutty guardians/parents.
Involving the police would be...a tad OTT.
There will be plenty more like this over his lifetime.
I think I'd be advising the lad to steer clear of this one and move on. It's all fairly typical primary school shenanigans what with overprotective nutty guardians/parents.
Involving the police would be...a tad OTT.
Devil2575 said:
Boosted LS1 said:
Yawn and when you get threatened by a mugger you'll run to the biggest most violent bloke you can find to protect you. Because you can't do it yourself and neither can your children.
Violence or at the low end, child smacking is an emotion, a human trait. Smacking isn't an abuse if it's balanced with love and done for caring reasons. You can't talk it out of an alpha male. It's been bred in. It's his responsibility. How long will your 'reasoning' logic survive in a country where violence hasn't afforded you the protection to hold your views? Could you stand up to a violent person or would you want your children to negotiate the hand over for you?
I'm not sure what most of that has to do with smacking my children. Violence or at the low end, child smacking is an emotion, a human trait. Smacking isn't an abuse if it's balanced with love and done for caring reasons. You can't talk it out of an alpha male. It's been bred in. It's his responsibility. How long will your 'reasoning' logic survive in a country where violence hasn't afforded you the protection to hold your views? Could you stand up to a violent person or would you want your children to negotiate the hand over for you?
Whether I can protect myself or my family has no bearing on whether I smack my kids.
There's some pretty mixed up views on here. My experience of people meeting violence with violence is no one ever wins. There's always someone bigger and better at it and prepared to go that extra bit nasty - been there done that and it never ends well for anyone involved.
As for smacking your kids to prepare them for being mugged, seriously, you're suggesting hitting your kids will make them more ready for that situation, did your folks hit you around the head as a kid or something?
No one should threaten a child with violence, more so someone else's child. If it was my child in the OP I'd have gone straight to the Police. As it's now probably cooled off a little I'd be asking the school to arrange a meeting between myself, them and the uncle. If he refuses or shows no remorse / seems like he's still a threat I'd be going to the Police.
I was smacked as a child and can honestly say it didn't bother me. I neither feared or respected my mother or father anymore for it. In other words it simply didn't work. From my point of view if I did something wrong and all I got was a smack I'd got off lightly. Take something off me or limit my freedom and that was a whole different ball game. I don't smack my children and on the whole they're well behaved and well mannered children. I can tell them to not do something and they'll stop, I don't even have to get up and whack them, I might have to get up an turn the WiFI off!
As for smacking your kids to prepare them for being mugged, seriously, you're suggesting hitting your kids will make them more ready for that situation, did your folks hit you around the head as a kid or something?
No one should threaten a child with violence, more so someone else's child. If it was my child in the OP I'd have gone straight to the Police. As it's now probably cooled off a little I'd be asking the school to arrange a meeting between myself, them and the uncle. If he refuses or shows no remorse / seems like he's still a threat I'd be going to the Police.
I was smacked as a child and can honestly say it didn't bother me. I neither feared or respected my mother or father anymore for it. In other words it simply didn't work. From my point of view if I did something wrong and all I got was a smack I'd got off lightly. Take something off me or limit my freedom and that was a whole different ball game. I don't smack my children and on the whole they're well behaved and well mannered children. I can tell them to not do something and they'll stop, I don't even have to get up and whack them, I might have to get up an turn the WiFI off!
PhillipM said:
Whereas you think it's okay to give mental trauma instead. I don't see why one has the upper hand over the other.
Mental trauma? Taking toys away as a punishment is mental trauma, which in your opinion is equivalent to physical violence because you can't see that one has an upper hand. Have I understood that correctly?
_dobbo_ said:
PhillipM said:
Whereas you think it's okay to give mental trauma instead. I don't see why one has the upper hand over the other.
Mental trauma? Taking toys away as a punishment is mental trauma, which in your opinion is equivalent to physical violence because you can't see that one has an upper hand. Have I understood that correctly?
Is it not? Does it not upset your child?
If it doesn't, why do you bother?
As SingleCoil says, you are still exerting your power over the child, so I don't think it gives you any position to talk down to someone doing the same thing with a smack.
Also whilst I'm here, those suggesting that slapping a childs legs teaches them violence is okay - does that mean all these who are having their toys taken away are growing up as thieves?
No, thought not.
If it doesn't, why do you bother?
As SingleCoil says, you are still exerting your power over the child, so I don't think it gives you any position to talk down to someone doing the same thing with a smack.
Also whilst I'm here, those suggesting that slapping a childs legs teaches them violence is okay - does that mean all these who are having their toys taken away are growing up as thieves?
No, thought not.
Edited by PhillipM on Monday 28th November 13:50
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