Horses on roads

[RyanOPlasty]

Interesting statistics here - Table 3

2017 Greenhouse Gas emissions

from passenger cars 69.6 Mtonnes CO2 Equivalent from 30 000 000 cars
from horses 0.6 Mtonnes CO2 Equivalent from 250 000 horses

Its a close run thing, but the average horse emits more greenhouse gases than the average passenger car.
Take into account annual mileage and there is no contest - horses need to go to save the planet!

[rscott]

av185 said:

Why is it though that horse riders are not compelled to clear up their animals st bearing in mind it is usually at least 200 times the volume of dogs st and even more hazardous to road users?

Because it's basically just grass and hay. Doesn't carry anything like the same health risk as dog st.

[Pica-Pica]

RyanOPlasty said:

Interesting statistics here - Table 3

2017 Greenhouse Gas emissions

from passenger cars 69.6 Mtonnes CO2 Equivalent from 30 000 000 cars
from horses 0.6 Mtonnes CO2 Equivalent from 250 000 horses

Its a close run thing, but the average horse emits more greenhouse gases than the average passenger car.
Take into account annual mileage and there is no contest - horses need to go to save the planet!

You can apply that to other animals too
Cats
Dogs
Humans

In all the climate discussions you rarely see population reduction (i.e. reducing birth rate) as the obvious long-term major contributor.

[av185]

rscott said:

av185 said:

Why is it though that horse riders are not compelled to clear up their animals st bearing in mind it is usually at least 200 times the volume of dogs st and even more hazardous to road users?

Because it's basically just grass and hay. Doesn't carry anything like the same health risk as dog st.

I would suggest a few injured/badly injured or even dead motorcyclists may strongly disagree with you.

[Lindun]

av185 said:

I would suggest a few injured/badly injured or even dead motorcyclists may strongly disagree with you.

Where do you get this from? If they can’t miss a pile of manure, or have to fall off on it then how will they cope with general road debris,potholes,gravel etc?

[av185]

Lindun said:

av185 said:

I would suggest a few injured/badly injured or even dead motorcyclists may strongly disagree with you.

Where do you get this from? If they can’t miss a pile of manure, or have to fall off on it then how will they cope with general road debris,potholes,gravel etc?

You are missing the point.

Why should they or indeed any road user have to put up with it? It is just more of a hazard for motorcyclists.

There is a posse of horse riders trot through our village regularly, illegally using a footpath through the wood in the process, the end result of which much to everyones displeasure are huge piles of excrement strewn across the path verges and roads creating hazards, an absolute stench and general inconvenience to all and sundry.

Do they ever clear it up? Do they fk.

Their sense of self entitlement evidently knows no limits and they do themselves and the horsey set no favours whatsoever.

[warch]

Lindun said:

av185 said:

I would suggest a few injured/badly injured or even dead motorcyclists may strongly disagree with you.

Where do you get this from? If they can’t miss a pile of manure, or have to fall off on it then how will they cope with general road debris,potholes,gravel etc?

Indeed. I've been a biker since 2008 and done in the region of 50,000 miles in that time. I can't actually ever remember even driving through any horse st in that time (horses tend to be ridden quite close to the nearside of the road however). Incidentally I ride through cowst on a regular basis (there's two dairy farms on the route I take to work) and apart from the smell and the need to clean the bike regularly there is no safety issue.

Motorcyclists ride (or should ride) to the conditions of the road, as should everyone else in my opinion.

[spookly]

yellowjack said:

Is there any legislation about dog owners on roads? Are they allowed anywhere they like?

Just wondering, as I keep seeing a couple of cars with hounds in the back clogging up the roads in the morning when I'm off to ride my bike. I have no idea why they'd want to be driving through the middle of a town to get to the park. Can they not be forced to walk the dogs to a place suitable for dogs to go for off road exercise?

I assume they are allowed to despite the silliness of the back of a car not being a particularly enjoyable place for a dog to be cooped up, or that they hold up all the morning traffic on a moderately busy road.

I'm sure that was funnier in your head. And that you know that's a false equivalence.

[CrutyRammers]

RyanOPlasty said:

Interesting statistics here - Table 3

2017 Greenhouse Gas emissions

from passenger cars 69.6 Mtonnes CO2 Equivalent from 30 000 000 cars
from horses 0.6 Mtonnes CO2 Equivalent from 250 000 horses

Its a close run thing, but the average horse emits more greenhouse gases than the average passenger car.
Take into account annual mileage and there is no contest - horses need to go to save the planet!

Where do those gasses come from in the case of cars? Fossil fuels, locked away for millions of years. And in the case of animals? Grass, which has fixed C02 from the atmosphere, that is now being returned to the atmosphere via the animal. One is a cycle in a closed system, the other is introducing new gas into that system. Quite different.

[DoubleD]

av185 said:

Lindun said:

av185 said:

I would suggest a few injured/badly injured or even dead motorcyclists may strongly disagree with you.

Where do you get this from? If they can’t miss a pile of manure, or have to fall off on it then how will they cope with general road debris,potholes,gravel etc?

You are missing the point.

Why should they or indeed any road user have to put up with it? It is just more of a hazard for motorcyclists.

There is a posse of horse riders trot through our village regularly, illegally using a footpath through the wood in the process, the end result of which much to everyones displeasure are huge piles of excrement strewn across the path verges and roads creating hazards, an absolute stench and general inconvenience to all and sundry.

Do they ever clear it up? Do they fk.

Their sense of self entitlement evidently knows no limits and they do themselves and the horsey set no favours whatsoever.

You do come out with some funny stuff av185

[S100HP]

Christ alive. It's the same old st day in, day out isn't it? Horses, cyclists, caravans, blah blah blah.

Maybe those horses are kept at the person's home or a field in the village and they need to use the road to get to where they want to ride. Why does it matter? I'm sure they'd rather not be riding on the road, but needs must.

Why is PH so full of intolerance road users?

[Brads67]

Why is PH so full of people who think roads are only for cars ?

Good job the nags weren't cycling.

[lyonspride]

S100HP said:

Christ alive. It's the same old st day in, day out isn't it? Horses, cyclists, caravans, blah blah blah.

Maybe those horses are kept at the person's home or a field in the village and they need to use the road to get to where they want to ride. Why does it matter? I'm sure they'd rather not be riding on the road, but needs must.

Why is PH so full of intolerance road users?

That's all very well, but why do they choose rush hour?

I mean seriously, is it that hard to wait 30 minutes? If they're riding in rush hour then they clearly don't have to get to work like the rest of us. It's just common sense, but sadly some of them just feel the need to go out and disrupt the "peasants" who are just trying to get to work on time, and they're so damn quick to shout abuse at drivers who pass them too loudly, or 1.5mph too fast, like DCWs who drive into trouble and then act all offended when something barely happens.

Few months back I encountered two at around 5pm, a busy wide B road, first I passed them, they were 2 abreast shouting at every car going past, then I had to turn around for roadworks and drive back past them by which time they'd got a massive queue of cars behind them, as I approached I could see the one rider had taken up both lanes of the road to stop cars passing her, when I came long they had to move, I passed slowly with my clutch dipped and they started shouting again, so I slammed on the brakes, stopped just behind them and had a go at them, they stopped, then the driver directly behind them got out and joined in, their attitude was absolute entitlement, basically like Audi drivers on meth riding a bag of meat.

[av185]

rscott said:

av185 said:

Why is it though that horse riders are not compelled to clear up their animals st bearing in mind it is usually at least 200 times the volume of dogs st and even more hazardous to road users?

Because it's basically just grass and hay. Doesn't carry anything like the same health risk as dog st.

st is st.

[av185]

DoubleD said:

You do come out with some funny stuff av185

Thanks for the compliment.

[ambuletz]

ive nothing against people riding their horse on the road..however i can't understand why they do it. In my 3 decades of being alive and living in london ive only ever seen a horse being ridden on the road maybe less than 10 times. in all those instances (and frrom youtube videos) the riders just seem very stressed trying to tame their horse as cars drive by.

also as a horse rider im not sure why you'd want to ride on the road and ignore traffic lights. ive seen a couple of instances where they cross a junction as if they have no regard for their own safety or their horses. not even slowing down.

[S100HP]

lyonspride said:

That's all very well, but why do they choose rush hour?

I mean seriously, is it that hard to wait 30 minutes? If they're riding in rush hour then they clearly don't have to get to work like the rest of us. It's just common sense, but sadly some of them just feel the need to go out and disrupt the "peasants" who are just trying to get to work on time, and they're so damn quick to shout abuse at drivers who pass them too loudly, or 1.5mph too fast, like DCWs who drive into trouble and then act all offended when something barely happens.

Few months back I encountered two at around 5pm, a busy wide B road, first I passed them, they were 2 abreast shouting at every car going past, then I had to turn around for roadworks and drive back past them by which time they'd got a massive queue of cars behind them, as I approached I could see the one rider had taken up both lanes of the road to stop cars passing her, when I came long they had to move, I passed slowly with my clutch dipped and they started shouting again, so I slammed on the brakes, stopped just behind them and had a go at them, they stopped, then the driver directly behind them got out and joined in, their attitude was absolute entitlement, basically like Audi drivers on meth riding a bag of meat.

Maybe they start work a little later than you, meaning they have to ride during "rush hour"

[x9wfm]

rscott said:

Because it's basically just grass and hay. Doesn't carry anything like the same health risk as dog st.

Well I'm sure they wouldn't like it if I went and shat up the side of their freshly washed horse.

[lyonspride]

S100HP said:

Maybe they start work a little later than you, meaning they have to ride during "rush hour"

I think we both know that's not the case.

[S100HP]

lyonspride said:

S100HP said:

Maybe they start work a little later than you, meaning they have to ride during "rush hour"

I think we both know that's not the case.

Well that's a retarded statement....