Other driver pranged barrier while overtaking.
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The 4 x 4 has saved you a lot of potential hassle, cost and depreciation by avoiding colliding with your car. You may as well be grateful for that and get ready for the (almost) inevitable 50/50 conclusion.
I have often wondered whether, if a car pulls out of a side turning just in front of you, you are better off colliding with them to get insurers involved, or swerving and hitting a wall/kerb/barrier so the damage is limited to one vehicle, but then having to prove that the other driver was the cause.
I have often wondered whether, if a car pulls out of a side turning just in front of you, you are better off colliding with them to get insurers involved, or swerving and hitting a wall/kerb/barrier so the damage is limited to one vehicle, but then having to prove that the other driver was the cause.
speedking31 said:
The 4 x 4 has saved you a lot of potential hassle, cost and depreciation by avoiding colliding with your car. You may as well be grateful for that and get ready for the (almost) inevitable 50/50 conclusion.
I have often wondered whether, if a car pulls out of a side turning just in front of you, you are better off colliding with them to get insurers involved, or swerving and hitting a wall/kerb/barrier so the damage is limited to one vehicle, but then having to prove that the other driver was the cause.
This would involve deliberately driving into another vehicle. I understand what you are hinting at, but quite apart from potentially injuring the other driver you are not taking steps to avoid the accident!I have often wondered whether, if a car pulls out of a side turning just in front of you, you are better off colliding with them to get insurers involved, or swerving and hitting a wall/kerb/barrier so the damage is limited to one vehicle, but then having to prove that the other driver was the cause.
Alucidnation said:
Just deny it all.
No damage to your car So they’ll have a hard time proving it.
Until he sends his dash cam footage and you have clearly lied and are now right in the sNo damage to your car So they’ll have a hard time proving it.
t (perhaps), roll the dice and see but with the prevalence of dash cams now it’s a distinct possibility. Hol said:
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I do wonder if the responses around who is to blame would be identical if outcome swapped and the wife crashed into the bus, because her overtake was blocked by the 4x4?
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Simply put she should be driving with enough gap to be able to stop before hitting the bus. If she can’t she’s going either I do wonder if the responses around who is to blame would be identical if outcome swapped and the wife crashed into the bus, because her overtake was blocked by the 4x4?
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Edited by Hol on Tuesday 21st January 11:51
a) Too fast to stop or
b) tailgating the bus to close
It seems 50/50 to me.
The pick up truck driver made a foolish overtake given they are not in prime position behind the bus, the risk of a vehicle ahead pulling out is high and therefore no overtake should have been attempted at that point.
However, one of those cars ahead did pull out, despite no physical contact it caused the overtaking driver to take evasive action and contact the barrier.
It's the pick up drivers responsibility to overtake safely but it's also the responsibility of the OPs partner to make sure it's clear to pull out, both from ahead and behind. It could easily have been a motorcyclist filtering up.
The pick up truck driver made a foolish overtake given they are not in prime position behind the bus, the risk of a vehicle ahead pulling out is high and therefore no overtake should have been attempted at that point.
However, one of those cars ahead did pull out, despite no physical contact it caused the overtaking driver to take evasive action and contact the barrier.
It's the pick up drivers responsibility to overtake safely but it's also the responsibility of the OPs partner to make sure it's clear to pull out, both from ahead and behind. It could easily have been a motorcyclist filtering up.
Considering this is a motoring forum, there's a ridiculous amount of nonsense in these comments.
There's nothing 50:50 about it. There's no room for opinion. Busses, indicators, blindspots, what-ifs... it's all completely inconsequential. If somebody is overtaking you, you cannot start your own overtake.
The 4x4 failing to see the situation unfolding might be seen as a failure to avoid an accident, but that's not the same as causing one.
Lack of evidence or witnesses might make it 50:50 from an insurance perspective, which is even more worrying than some of the comments here, because that could happen to any of us.
If I was OPs wife, I'd be happy to take the insurance premium hike, and be glad it's not 9 points for Due Care.
There's nothing 50:50 about it. There's no room for opinion. Busses, indicators, blindspots, what-ifs... it's all completely inconsequential. If somebody is overtaking you, you cannot start your own overtake.
The 4x4 failing to see the situation unfolding might be seen as a failure to avoid an accident, but that's not the same as causing one.
Lack of evidence or witnesses might make it 50:50 from an insurance perspective, which is even more worrying than some of the comments here, because that could happen to any of us.
If I was OPs wife, I'd be happy to take the insurance premium hike, and be glad it's not 9 points for Due Care.
I'm guessing that the OP's wife was doing her manoeuver at low speed as it sounds like she had slowed right down behind the bus and was pulling out to edge by it and the 4x4 was coming up and a greater relative speed and had already commenced a committed overtake.
Or maybe the 4x4 was caught up behind the bus and the OP's wife and was also just edging out and it all happened at the speed of two snails trying to overtake a parked tortoise .
Which one was it OP
Or maybe the 4x4 was caught up behind the bus and the OP's wife and was also just edging out and it all happened at the speed of two snails trying to overtake a parked tortoise .
Which one was it OP
driver67 said:
LosingGrip said:
Try and get the details of the bus. They won't provide it to you the CCTV, but if you phone and ask if they can make sure it's saved whilst your insurance company get in touch 
.
Be interesting to see his goes.
Seems pretty straightforward to me. The guy crashed into a barrier.. Be interesting to see his goes.
Move on. Nothing to do with the OP or his wife surely?
Dougie.
No contact with op or bus.
If the other driver wants to overtake like a tw5t and smash his car up Inc council / highway property its entirely up to him.
Tell him to fu5k right off...
speedking31 said:
The 4 x 4 has saved you a lot of potential hassle, cost and depreciation by avoiding colliding with your car. You may as well be grateful for that and get ready for the (almost) inevitable 50/50 conclusion.
I have often wondered whether, if a car pulls out of a side turning just in front of you, you are better off colliding with them to get insurers involved, or swerving and hitting a wall/kerb/barrier so the damage is limited to one vehicle, but then having to prove that the other driver was the cause.
I had this choice before and chose to crash into the persons car that pulled out rather than swerve and have a head on whilst they dawdle off,get them involved.I have often wondered whether, if a car pulls out of a side turning just in front of you, you are better off colliding with them to get insurers involved, or swerving and hitting a wall/kerb/barrier so the damage is limited to one vehicle, but then having to prove that the other driver was the cause.
I think we need to see the location where this occured. (A google streetview) To me though I'm surprised at the people putting all the blame on the OP's wife having read his post. I really don't understand why the 4x4 was trying an overtake however I need to see the layout so to speak.
That said should you indicate when overtaking something like a parked vehicle? I was taught that you indicate to overtake a moving vehicle going in the same direction you are, however if it's stationary such as a parked car you don't need to?
That said should you indicate when overtaking something like a parked vehicle? I was taught that you indicate to overtake a moving vehicle going in the same direction you are, however if it's stationary such as a parked car you don't need to?
grassomaniac said:
I think we need to see the location where this occured. (A google streetview) To me though I'm surprised at the people putting all the blame on the OP's wife having read his post. I really don't understand why the 4x4 was trying an overtake however I need to see the layout so to speak.
That said should you indicate when overtaking something like a parked vehicle? I was taught that you indicate to overtake a moving vehicle going in the same direction you are, however if it's stationary such as a parked car you don't need to?
If you intend to move out of your lane at all for whatever reason you check, and if anything is over taking...... you do not even if thy are a tThat said should you indicate when overtaking something like a parked vehicle? I was taught that you indicate to overtake a moving vehicle going in the same direction you are, however if it's stationary such as a parked car you don't need to?
t for doing it.Dont like rolls said:
If you intend to move out of your lane at all for whatever reason you check, and if anything is over taking...... you do not even if thy are a tt for doing it.
Totally, but it's a single lane road. That's why I said we need to know the layout. She should have checked but why was the 4x4 trying to jump her reading the description? It certainly isn't an overtake I'd go for.t for doing it.Norfolk B-roads said:
Considering this is a motoring forum, there's a ridiculous amount of nonsense in these comments.
There's nothing 50:50 about it. There's no room for opinion. Busses, indicators, blindspots, what-ifs... it's all completely inconsequential. If somebody is overtaking you, you cannot start your own overtake.
The 4x4 failing to see the situation unfolding might be seen as a failure to avoid an accident, but that's not the same as causing one.
Lack of evidence or witnesses might make it 50:50 from an insurance perspective, which is even more worrying than some of the comments here, because that could happen to any of us.
If I was OPs wife, I'd be happy to take the insurance premium hike, and be glad it's not 9 points for Due Care.
you sound like a dangerous driver and someone quick to blame everyone else.There's nothing 50:50 about it. There's no room for opinion. Busses, indicators, blindspots, what-ifs... it's all completely inconsequential. If somebody is overtaking you, you cannot start your own overtake.
The 4x4 failing to see the situation unfolding might be seen as a failure to avoid an accident, but that's not the same as causing one.
Lack of evidence or witnesses might make it 50:50 from an insurance perspective, which is even more worrying than some of the comments here, because that could happen to any of us.
If I was OPs wife, I'd be happy to take the insurance premium hike, and be glad it's not 9 points for Due Care.
nobody here actually knows what happened but we're all busy on the keyboards with what we have.
as a driving god, if i were behind another car and a bus in front of that car pulled in, i'd be waiting until both of us had cleared the bus before any manoeuvre.
grassomaniac said:
Dont like rolls said:
If you intend to move out of your lane at all for whatever reason you check, and if anything is over taking...... you do not even if thy are a tt for doing it.
Totally, but it's a single lane road. That's why I said we need to know the layout. She should have checked but why was the 4x4 trying to jump her reading the description? It certainly isn't an overtake I'd go for.t for doing it.She moved out of her lane and "did not see the 4x4", nothing else matters (with the info we have)
Dont like rolls said:
grassomaniac said:
Dont like rolls said:
If you intend to move out of your lane at all for whatever reason you check, and if anything is over taking...... you do not even if thy are a tt for doing it.
Totally, but it's a single lane road. That's why I said we need to know the layout. She should have checked but why was the 4x4 trying to jump her reading the description? It certainly isn't an overtake I'd go for.t for doing it.She moved out of her lane and "did not see the 4x4", nothing else matters (with the info we have)
I'm not saying she isn't to blame either I'm saying all of the blame. We don't know enough!
A single lane in each direction refers to his noting it was an A road.
She moved into the opposing lane giving the 4x4 nothing but the barrier.....then "noticed" the bang. Assuming the 4x4 was under control prior to him having to take avoiding action then yes, she is at fault as she is the instigator.
She moved into the opposing lane giving the 4x4 nothing but the barrier.....then "noticed" the bang. Assuming the 4x4 was under control prior to him having to take avoiding action then yes, she is at fault as she is the instigator.
A1VDY said:
driver67 said:
LosingGrip said:
Try and get the details of the bus. They won't provide it to you the CCTV, but if you phone and ask if they can make sure it's saved whilst your insurance company get in touch .
Be interesting to see his goes.
Seems pretty straightforward to me. The guy crashed into a barrier.. Be interesting to see his goes.
Move on. Nothing to do with the OP or his wife surely?
Dougie.
No contact with op or bus.
If the other driver wants to overtake like a tw5t and smash his car up Inc council / highway property its entirely up to him.
Tell him to fu5k right off...
ktards like you, that must have obtained a licence with your breakfast cereal that are the greatest danger on the road, not people doing 5 mph over the limit. Edited by MB140 on Tuesday 21st January 18:58
MB140 said:
A1VDY said:
driver67 said:
LosingGrip said:
Try and get the details of the bus. They won't provide it to you the CCTV, but if you phone and ask if they can make sure it's saved whilst your insurance company get in touch .
Be interesting to see his goes.
Seems pretty straightforward to me. The guy crashed into a barrier.. Be interesting to see his goes.
Move on. Nothing to do with the OP or his wife surely?
Dougie.
No contact with op or bus.
If the other driver wants to overtake like a tw5t and smash his car up Inc council / highway property its entirely up to him.
Tell him to fu5k right off...
ktards like you, that must have obtained a licence with your breakfast cereal that are the greatest danger on the road, not people doing 5 mph over the limit. ked up their overtake and stuffed it into the armco when they panicked.Not only did the 4x4 driver not see the bus pulling into the bus stop and all the cars in front of them who might need to react to the bus stopping, but if, as the OP said, their wife only needed to move out slightly as the "bus in front of my wife pulled into the bus stop but was still sticking out a wee bit", then if the 4x4 driver was competent and had stupidly decided to overtaking they would be passing the other cars at a sufficient distance that one of them moving out slightly would make no difference.
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