Jailed for pushing a cyclist under a car
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Judge Sean Enright, sentencing said "the pavement was 2.4 metres wide at the relevant point, describing it as a "shared path on the ring road".
So wide enough to drive a car down and wide enough, with each taking 50 cm of shared path, to almost have the magic 1.5m of space between them.
Shame the council hadn't put a white centre line down, a small price to pay if it may have kept Auriol Grey on her 1.1 metres of shared path and Mrs Ward may have made her 80th birthday.
So wide enough to drive a car down and wide enough, with each taking 50 cm of shared path, to almost have the magic 1.5m of space between them.
Shame the council hadn't put a white centre line down, a small price to pay if it may have kept Auriol Grey on her 1.1 metres of shared path and Mrs Ward may have made her 80th birthday.
J__Wood said:
Judge Sean Enright, sentencing said "the pavement was 2.4 metres wide at the relevant point, describing it as a "shared path on the ring road".
So wide enough to drive a car down and wide enough, with each taking 50 cm of shared path, to almost have the magic 1.5m of space between them.
Shame the council hadn't put a white centre line down, a small price to pay if it may have kept Auriol Grey on her 1.1 metres of shared path and Mrs Ward may have made her 80th birthday.
There's just something odd about this case. From the police saying they weren't sure it's a shared cycle path to the judge saying the path was 2.4m wide. But as someone on another person shared, the street view shows 2 people walking side by side, and doesn't give the impression of that width.So wide enough to drive a car down and wide enough, with each taking 50 cm of shared path, to almost have the magic 1.5m of space between them.
Shame the council hadn't put a white centre line down, a small price to pay if it may have kept Auriol Grey on her 1.1 metres of shared path and Mrs Ward may have made her 80th birthday.
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jm doc said:
She had cerebral palsy and was partially blind. But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your abilty to judge people. Outstanding. 
Still has it as far as I’m aware, but that doesn’t excuse being an ignorant bully pushing someone in front of a car. What you were replying to was far more accurate than your title and far less judgemental.
jm doc said:
NikBartlett said:
Psycho pedestrian kills cyclist. Discuss.
She had cerebral palsy and was partially blind. But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your abilty to judge people. Outstanding. I mean, it would be ridiculous if you hadn't. Wouldn't it?
J__Wood said:
Judge Sean Enright, sentencing said "the pavement was 2.4 metres wide at the relevant point, describing it as a "shared path on the ring road".
So wide enough to drive a car down and wide enough, with each taking 50 cm of shared path, to almost have the magic 1.5m of space between them.
Shame the council hadn't put a white centre line down, a small price to pay if it may have kept Auriol Grey on her 1.1 metres of shared path and Mrs Ward may have made her 80th birthday.
The judge clearly seems to have been having a difficult time. The path is barely wide enough for two people and there's a lampost where they meet, and you can see a cyclist having to swerve to get past the journalist on the path. He also bizarrely decided it was a cycleway despite having been told it wasn't apparent by the council and the police.So wide enough to drive a car down and wide enough, with each taking 50 cm of shared path, to almost have the magic 1.5m of space between them.
Shame the council hadn't put a white centre line down, a small price to pay if it may have kept Auriol Grey on her 1.1 metres of shared path and Mrs Ward may have made her 80th birthday.
Similar to many of the posters trolling on here who persist in saying she was pushed when neither the police nor the prosecutor say this was the case.
So illegally riding on a narrow path, failed to slow down and take due care when meeting and trying to pass a frail partially blind pedestrian, gets a shock when unsurprisingly and rightly so the pedestrian is upset, and falls off the bike.
Obviously it's a tragedy when someone dies, but it's her own illegal and careless actions which directly result in her falling off.
jm doc said:
He also bizarrely decided it was a cycleway despite having been told it wasn't apparent by the council and the police.
Can you link to where that's reported?edit: The nearest I can find is this:
bbc said:
Under cross-examination by defence barrister Miranda Moore KC, Det Sgt Dollard said he did not have any evidence to "categorically" show the path was a shared cycleway.
Not much like your claim, is it?Maybe the council chipped in and the bbc missed it?
Edited by monthou on Thursday 2nd March 22:17
I just watched the BBC reporter video.
Is that a shared route? The section by those railings looks like a pavement to me rather than a properly constructed shared walkway/cycle path. Also, during the video a cyclist passes the reporter at a decent speed. Not much room for a suitable gap.
It’s a busy road and possibly a regular thing for cyclists using the “shared area”. The cyclist passing the reporter was going against the traffic flow too. No sound of a bell.
Looks like a potential hot spot for confrontation between cyclist and pedestrian.
There is a lack of clarity and some confusion over whether it is a defined shared route too.
I assume the court had ample evidence to come to their decision and the judge satisfied to apply the sentence. I’d also guess the local Highways Dept and Police would look at the situation there to prevent more problems.
Is that a shared route? The section by those railings looks like a pavement to me rather than a properly constructed shared walkway/cycle path. Also, during the video a cyclist passes the reporter at a decent speed. Not much room for a suitable gap.
It’s a busy road and possibly a regular thing for cyclists using the “shared area”. The cyclist passing the reporter was going against the traffic flow too. No sound of a bell.
Looks like a potential hot spot for confrontation between cyclist and pedestrian.
There is a lack of clarity and some confusion over whether it is a defined shared route too.
I assume the court had ample evidence to come to their decision and the judge satisfied to apply the sentence. I’d also guess the local Highways Dept and Police would look at the situation there to prevent more problems.
jm doc said:
The judge clearly seems to have been having a difficult time. The path is barely wide enough for two people and there's a lampost where they meet, and you can see a cyclist having to swerve to get past the journalist on the path. He also bizarrely decided it was a cycleway despite having been told it wasn't apparent by the council and the police.
Similar to many of the posters trolling on here who persist in saying she was pushed when neither the police nor the prosecutor say this was the case.
So illegally riding on a narrow path, failed to slow down and take due care when meeting and trying to pass a frail partially blind pedestrian, gets a shock when unsurprisingly and rightly so the pedestrian is upset, and falls off the bike.
Obviously it's a tragedy when someone dies, but it's her own illegal and careless actions which directly result in her falling off.
You don’t half spout a load of effluent, and appear to be a deeply unpleasant person as well. Similar to many of the posters trolling on here who persist in saying she was pushed when neither the police nor the prosecutor say this was the case.
So illegally riding on a narrow path, failed to slow down and take due care when meeting and trying to pass a frail partially blind pedestrian, gets a shock when unsurprisingly and rightly so the pedestrian is upset, and falls off the bike.
Obviously it's a tragedy when someone dies, but it's her own illegal and careless actions which directly result in her falling off.
Edited by gazza285 on Thursday 2nd March 22:29
I just watched the BBC reporter video.
Is that a shared route? The section by those railings looks like a pavement to me rather than a properly constructed shared walkway/cycle path. Also, during the video a cyclist passes the reporter at a decent speed. Not much room for a suitable gap.
It’s a busy road and possibly a regular thing for cyclists using the “shared area”. The cyclist passing the reporter was going against the traffic flow too. No sound of a bell.
Looks like a potential hot spot for confrontation between cyclist and pedestrian.
There is a lack of clarity and some confusion over whether it is a defined shared route too.
I assume the court had ample evidence to come to their decision and the judge satisfied to apply the sentence. I’d also guess the local Highways Dept and Police would look at the situation there to prevent more problems.
Is that a shared route? The section by those railings looks like a pavement to me rather than a properly constructed shared walkway/cycle path. Also, during the video a cyclist passes the reporter at a decent speed. Not much room for a suitable gap.
It’s a busy road and possibly a regular thing for cyclists using the “shared area”. The cyclist passing the reporter was going against the traffic flow too. No sound of a bell.
Looks like a potential hot spot for confrontation between cyclist and pedestrian.
There is a lack of clarity and some confusion over whether it is a defined shared route too.
I assume the court had ample evidence to come to their decision and the judge satisfied to apply the sentence. I’d also guess the local Highways Dept and Police would look at the situation there to prevent more problems.
LimmerickLad said:
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: Does it actually need physical contact?
If I'm standing on a train platform and someone lunges at me to scare me but I'm startled and fall under a train is that just a tragic accident?
I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have fallen under a train if they hadn't done it.
Not sure your analogy works in this instance..perhaps if you were running towards someone on the platform might work better?If I'm standing on a train platform and someone lunges at me to scare me but I'm startled and fall under a train is that just a tragic accident?
I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have fallen under a train if they hadn't done it.
jm doc said:
NikBartlett said:
Psycho pedestrian kills cyclist. Discuss.
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