"Offical Warning" from the Police

"Offical Warning" from the Police

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Nibbles_bits

Original Poster:

1,121 posts

41 months

Sunday 12th November 2023
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Pit Pony said:
I'm confused. Isn't the Police a "Service". Please don't refer to it as a "Force" as they would emply that that aren't acting on the behalf of the public, serving us all to keep us all safe but are there to force us all to do what they want us to do.
No. It's a Police Force delivering a police service.

You search for your local Force, not your local service.

Police services in the UK are organised around two legal entities: the ‘Office of Constable’ and the police force. - The House of Commons.

The recruitment of officers and police staff is usually done directly by forces - The College of Policing.

Local force inspections. HMICFRS inspects and monitors the 43 territorial police forces in England and Wales. - HMICFRS

Police forces - Gov.uk

Police forces - NPCC

Police forces - Crimebodge

The MET and PNSI are 'services' in name only. They are the forces responsible for supplying police services in their respective areas.

trashbat

6,006 posts

155 months

Sunday 12th November 2023
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Nibbles_bits said:
From that same Immigration forum -
"I have made a phone call to the police. They checked again the accident and the warning letter in their system, and they assured me it's not a criminal record and it is just a letter to ask me to be careful when driving in the future".

So it appears, as previously posted, it's an officious letter reminding Mrs Nibbles_bits of something she is already aware of.

Nice to see my force (and others) spending their time and budget wisely.
If only there was another, free, publication that was available to road users rolleyes
You lot are weird. I get the urge to find out if it has legal significance, because that can affect your life. But there is nothing inherently wrong with sending legally insignificant warnings.

Not everything has to have tangible consequences or formality. It's a reminder to the recipient that their driving fell below the expected standard, and it seems sensible to issue that after such an accident. There are loads of people on here whining about a lack of pragmatic policing or asking why they couldn't have been let off with a warning, which is what happened here, and now you're moaning about that.

Nibbles_bits

Original Poster:

1,121 posts

41 months

Sunday 12th November 2023
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trashbat said:
Nibbles_bits said:
From that same Immigration forum -
"I have made a phone call to the police. They checked again the accident and the warning letter in their system, and they assured me it's not a criminal record and it is just a letter to ask me to be careful when driving in the future".

So it appears, as previously posted, it's an officious letter reminding Mrs Nibbles_bits of something she is already aware of.

Nice to see my force (and others) spending their time and budget wisely.
If only there was another, free, publication that was available to road users rolleyes
You lot are weird. I get the urge to find out if it has legal significance, because that can affect your life. But there is nothing inherently wrong with sending legally insignificant warnings.

Not everything has to have tangible consequences or formality. It's a reminder to the recipient that their driving fell below the expected standard, and it seems sensible to issue that after such an accident. There are loads of people on here whining about a lack of pragmatic policing or asking why they couldn't have been let off with a warning, which is what happened here, and now you're moaning about that.
This is essentially the 'words of advice' my colleague already gave Mrs Nibbles_bits at the roadside. It costs money and time to send out this letter.

And the questions are, where is this being recorded and for what purpose.

Edited by Nibbles_bits on Sunday 12th November 22:45

BertBert

19,142 posts

213 months

Sunday 12th November 2023
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Nibbles_bits said:
And the questions are, where is this being recorded and for what purpose.
I may have missed this, but why do you suppose it is being recorded and why does there have to be another purpose other than putting something in writing?

As the previous poster has said, there seems to be a driving need to find some ulterior motive for this. Why should there be? It's completely usual in many areas of life to say something in writing to reinforce what has been said verbally.

Nibbles_bits

Original Poster:

1,121 posts

41 months

Monday 13th November 2023
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BertBert said:
Nibbles_bits said:
And the questions are, where is this being recorded and for what purpose.
I may have missed this, but why do you suppose it is being recorded and why does there have to be another purpose other than putting something in writing?

As the previous poster has said, there seems to be a driving need to find some ulterior motive for this. Why should there be? It's completely usual in many areas of life to say something in writing to reinforce what has been said verbally.
It will be the bit that states it's being kept on record that makes me "suppose" it's being recorded.
For what purpose??
And where?

I don't think there's an ulterior motive, I just want to know for what purpose it is being recorded?
Because, as a Police Officer myself, I know that it can't be used as evidence in the future.

BertBert

19,142 posts

213 months

Monday 13th November 2023
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Nibbles_bits said:
It will be the bit that states it's being kept on record that makes me "suppose" it's being recorded.
For what purpose??
And where?

I don't think there's an ulterior motive, I just want to know for what purpose it is being recorded?
Because, as a Police Officer myself, I know that it can't be used as evidence in the future.
You haven't previously mentioned that the letter says it is kept on record as far as I can see.

What is the exact wording for this in the letter?

Pit Pony

8,858 posts

123 months

Monday 13th November 2023
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Nibbles_bits said:
Pit Pony said:
I'm confused. Isn't the Police a "Service". Please don't refer to it as a "Force" as they would emply that that aren't acting on the behalf of the public, serving us all to keep us all safe but are there to force us all to do what they want us to do.
No. It's a Police Force delivering a police service.

You search for your local Force, not your local service.

Police services in the UK are organised around two legal entities: the ‘Office of Constable’ and the police force. - The House of Commons.

The recruitment of officers and police staff is usually done directly by forces - The College of Policing.

Local force inspections. HMICFRS inspects and monitors the 43 territorial police forces in England and Wales. - HMICFRS

Police forces - Gov.uk

Police forces - NPCC

Police forces - Crimebodge

The MET and PNSI are 'services' in name only. They are the forces responsible for supplying police services in their respective areas.
Thank you for correcting me. I always thought they were there to protect and serve us. It turns out that they are there to force us to tow the line.

Nibbles_bits

Original Poster:

1,121 posts

41 months

Monday 13th November 2023
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BertBert said:
Nibbles_bits said:
It will be the bit that states it's being kept on record that makes me "suppose" it's being recorded.
For what purpose??
And where?

I don't think there's an ulterior motive, I just want to know for what purpose it is being recorded?
Because, as a Police Officer myself, I know that it can't be used as evidence in the future.
You haven't previously mentioned that the letter says it is kept on record as far as I can see.

What is the exact wording for this in the letter?
Dude, it's the Police, everything is kept on record rolleyes

Can't give you the exact wording, as the letter went in the bin.

Nibbles_bits

Original Poster:

1,121 posts

41 months

Monday 13th November 2023
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Pit Pony said:
Nibbles_bits said:
Pit Pony said:
I'm confused. Isn't the Police a "Service". Please don't refer to it as a "Force" as they would emply that that aren't acting on the behalf of the public, serving us all to keep us all safe but are there to force us all to do what they want us to do.
No. It's a Police Force delivering a police service.

You search for your local Force, not your local service.

Police services in the UK are organised around two legal entities: the ‘Office of Constable’ and the police force. - The House of Commons.

The recruitment of officers and police staff is usually done directly by forces - The College of Policing.

Local force inspections. HMICFRS inspects and monitors the 43 territorial police forces in England and Wales. - HMICFRS

Police forces - Gov.uk

Police forces - NPCC

Police forces - Crimebodge

The MET and PNSI are 'services' in name only. They are the forces responsible for supplying police services in their respective areas.
Thank you for correcting me. I always thought they were there to protect and serve us. It turns out that they are there to force us to tow the line.
Sounds a FMOL ish to me.

I think it's quite clear in my reply that whether they're called a Force, Department, Service, Agency, Authority, Constabulary, Gendarmerie, Crime Prevention, Civil Guard, Civic Guard, Protective Service, Security Force, Bureau, Law Enforcement Agency, Gaurdians of the Peace or even a potato......they all provide a police service

Voldemort

6,239 posts

280 months

Monday 13th November 2023
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Nibbles_bits said:
BertBert said:
Nibbles_bits said:
It will be the bit that states it's being kept on record that makes me "suppose" it's being recorded.
For what purpose??
And where?

I don't think there's an ulterior motive, I just want to know for what purpose it is being recorded?
Because, as a Police Officer myself, I know that it can't be used as evidence in the future.
You haven't previously mentioned that the letter says it is kept on record as far as I can see.

What is the exact wording for this in the letter?
Dude, it's the Police, everything is kept on record rolleyes

Can't give you the exact wording, as the letter went in the bin.
How convenient infuriating.

(Get your landlady) to write to the dibbles and ask for a copy under the Data Protection Act.

Send that, and a covering letter, to the Ombudsman and to your local MP asking for comments and clarification.

Nibbles_bits

Original Poster:

1,121 posts

41 months

Monday 13th November 2023
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Voldemort said:
Nibbles_bits said:
BertBert said:
Nibbles_bits said:
It will be the bit that states it's being kept on record that makes me "suppose" it's being recorded.
For what purpose??
And where?

I don't think there's an ulterior motive, I just want to know for what purpose it is being recorded?
Because, as a Police Officer myself, I know that it can't be used as evidence in the future.
You haven't previously mentioned that the letter says it is kept on record as far as I can see.

What is the exact wording for this in the letter?
Dude, it's the Police, everything is kept on record rolleyes

Can't give you the exact wording, as the letter went in the bin.
How convenient infuriating.

(Get your landlady) to write to the dibbles and ask for a copy under the Data Protection Act.

Send that, and a covering letter, to the Ombudsman and to your local MP asking for comments and clarification.
Yes, how convenient that on Saturday I said I'd thrown the letter away.

Ombudsman?

eccles

13,747 posts

224 months

Monday 13th November 2023
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Pit Pony said:
Nibbles_bits said:
Pit Pony said:
I'm confused. Isn't the Police a "Service". Please don't refer to it as a "Force" as they would emply that that aren't acting on the behalf of the public, serving us all to keep us all safe but are there to force us all to do what they want us to do.
No. It's a Police Force delivering a police service.

You search for your local Force, not your local service.

Police services in the UK are organised around two legal entities: the ‘Office of Constable’ and the police force. - The House of Commons.

The recruitment of officers and police staff is usually done directly by forces - The College of Policing.

Local force inspections. HMICFRS inspects and monitors the 43 territorial police forces in England and Wales. - HMICFRS

Police forces - Gov.uk

Police forces - NPCC

Police forces - Crimebodge

The MET and PNSI are 'services' in name only. They are the forces responsible for supplying police services in their respective areas.
Thank you for correcting me. I always thought they were there to protect and serve us. It turns out that they are there to force us to tow the line.
There was a move in the 80's to rebrand the Armed Forces as Armed Services as it sounded less aggressive. I'm not sure if it's still official policy, but at the time it didn't last long, and everyone still kept referring to them as Forces.

Tony1963

4,871 posts

164 months

Monday 13th November 2023
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And I STILL don’t know what an “Offical” warning is wink

Latin for fickle?

BertBert

19,142 posts

213 months

Monday 13th November 2023
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Nibbles_bits said:
Dude, it's the Police, everything is kept on record rolleyes

Can't give you the exact wording, as the letter went in the bin.
So why bother asking PH why they keep it on record - Dude? What a non-thread!

BertBert

19,142 posts

213 months

Monday 13th November 2023
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Tony1963 said:
And I STILL don’t know what an “Offical” warning is wink

Latin for fickle?
It's clearly just a crap letter as like most plod, communicating clearly and concisely is not a strong point

Nibbles_bits

Original Poster:

1,121 posts

41 months

Monday 13th November 2023
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BertBert said:
Nibbles_bits said:
Dude, it's the Police, everything is kept on record rolleyes

Can't give you the exact wording, as the letter went in the bin.
So why bother asking PH why they keep it on record - Dude? What a non-thread!
Just because it is, doesn't answer why.

Sheepshanks

33,085 posts

121 months

Monday 13th November 2023
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Nibbles_bits said:
Yes, how convenient that on Saturday I said I'd thrown the letter away.
I find it 'astonishing' that you'd throw away something which has triggered you to this extent.

BertBert

19,142 posts

213 months

Monday 13th November 2023
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Nibbles_bits said:
Just because it is, doesn't answer why.
You know why, you've told us.

What we don't know is why you are asking here when you know the answer.

A complete load of nonsense. Mind you the stereotype fits.

Monkeylegend

26,591 posts

233 months

Monday 13th November 2023
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Pit Pony said:
Nibbles_bits said:
Pit Pony said:
I'm confused. Isn't the Police a "Service". Please don't refer to it as a "Force" as they would emply that that aren't acting on the behalf of the public, serving us all to keep us all safe but are there to force us all to do what they want us to do.
No. It's a Police Force delivering a police service.

You search for your local Force, not your local service.

Police services in the UK are organised around two legal entities: the ‘Office of Constable’ and the police force. - The House of Commons.

The recruitment of officers and police staff is usually done directly by forces - The College of Policing.

Local force inspections. HMICFRS inspects and monitors the 43 territorial police forces in England and Wales. - HMICFRS

Police forces - Gov.uk

Police forces - NPCC

Police forces - Crimebodge

The MET and PNSI are 'services' in name only. They are the forces responsible for supplying police services in their respective areas.
Thank you for correcting me. I always thought they were there to protect and serve us. It turns out that they are there to force us to tow the line.
And it's toe the line. paperbag

Pit Pony

8,858 posts

123 months

Monday 13th November 2023
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Yes Toe. Well pedandiced