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AliMc99 said:
Our local RPU have managed to bag several M340i’s prior to BMW’s exit from the fleet market. It’ll be a unpleasant shock when they get replaced with 2.0 ltr Volvo’s in a couple of years time!
Tom1312 said:
TJF
Simple as that.
Companies will not want to be associated with the police given the current public image.
We'll always manage to buy response cars are they are generic cars, pretty much modern rep mobiles.
Advanced motors is where we're going to always struggle going forward.
As companies strive to do away with large capacity ICE vehicles it's going to further and further limit options.
My fleet guy asked the other day if I wanted to consider the new EX90 for the possible future ARV replacement.
That'll be over 100k by the time it got on the road if we went with it.
The analogy of the US army using 100m planes to drop 60,000 dollar bombs on a 100 dollar tent springs to mind.
Good luck getting away with an enforced stop on £500s worth of Corsa in £300ks worth of EX90s....
We need a bespoke car from somebody for the role. It's mental we haven't got together and just done it. Everybody should go to the 3 man car system nationally and go for the same setup across the country.
Claims of 'ah but it needs to be covert/unmarked capable' is null, all the s
t bags spot the unmarked cars from a mile off anyway. So let's just be done with it and get somebody to build a dedicated ARV wagon out of an existing vehicle.
We should have bought up as many X5s and mothballed them ala Twisted when we could, but obviously that suggestion got ignored....
Not sure a car manufacturer would not want to be associated with police, despite current media onslaught. I don’t think things are that bad. Simple as that.
Companies will not want to be associated with the police given the current public image.
We'll always manage to buy response cars are they are generic cars, pretty much modern rep mobiles.
Advanced motors is where we're going to always struggle going forward.
As companies strive to do away with large capacity ICE vehicles it's going to further and further limit options.
My fleet guy asked the other day if I wanted to consider the new EX90 for the possible future ARV replacement.
That'll be over 100k by the time it got on the road if we went with it.
The analogy of the US army using 100m planes to drop 60,000 dollar bombs on a 100 dollar tent springs to mind.
Good luck getting away with an enforced stop on £500s worth of Corsa in £300ks worth of EX90s....
We need a bespoke car from somebody for the role. It's mental we haven't got together and just done it. Everybody should go to the 3 man car system nationally and go for the same setup across the country.
Claims of 'ah but it needs to be covert/unmarked capable' is null, all the s
t bags spot the unmarked cars from a mile off anyway. So let's just be done with it and get somebody to build a dedicated ARV wagon out of an existing vehicle. We should have bought up as many X5s and mothballed them ala Twisted when we could, but obviously that suggestion got ignored....
Edited by Tom1312 on Monday 15th May 10:46
However, ‘National’ spec kit should be a thing. So true about vehicles, but also in many other areas of policing.
You just have to look at the police spec stuff in America to see how OE supplied stuff can give a great product. They are getting proper bespoke features. One that jumped to mind was ‘perimeter’ mode. You park up, pressed activate and it would use the parking senses to then detect pedestrian movement close to the vehicle which would set off an alert, lock doors and close windows automatically. Not saying that’s an option that is necessarily useful, but shows the bespoke nature of it. The built in computers and information relayed to the vehicles looks light years ahead.
How many hours are being spent and resources used by every force to research, design, price up items that could be on a National roll out. One source, one (presumably) cheaper price.
One National logistics center. Phonecall goes in….
Need a ‘National’ ARV… done. Options.. marked / unmarked.
National carbine, handgun, optics etc etc.
Need national ballistic shields for said ARV… done.
National trauma bag… done.
A new defib… done.
A big one. Uniform.
LM240 said:
Not sure a car manufacturer would not want to be associated with police, despite current media onslaught. I don’t think things are that bad.
However, ‘National’ spec kit should be a thing. So true about vehicles, but also in many other areas of policing.
You just have to look at the police spec stuff in America to see how OE supplied stuff can give a great product. They are getting proper bespoke features. One that jumped to mind was ‘perimeter’ mode. You park up, pressed activate and it would use the parking senses to then detect pedestrian movement close to the vehicle which would set off an alert, lock doors and close windows automatically. Not saying that’s an option that is necessarily useful, but shows the bespoke nature of it. The built in computers and information relayed to the vehicles looks light years ahead.
How many hours are being spent and resources used by every force to research, design, price up items that could be on a National roll out. One source, one (presumably) cheaper price.
One National logistics center. Phonecall goes in….
Need a ‘National’ ARV… done. Options.. marked / unmarked.
National carbine, handgun, optics etc etc.
Need national ballistic shields for said ARV… done.
National trauma bag… done.
A new defib… done.
A big one. Uniform.
The police contracts in the UK are just not big enough for lots of bespoke stuff. 140,000 officers. How many of them are RPU/ ARV, a tiny percentage, some forces don't even have their own RPU. Loads of ARV depts are joint between a couple or few forces. However, ‘National’ spec kit should be a thing. So true about vehicles, but also in many other areas of policing.
You just have to look at the police spec stuff in America to see how OE supplied stuff can give a great product. They are getting proper bespoke features. One that jumped to mind was ‘perimeter’ mode. You park up, pressed activate and it would use the parking senses to then detect pedestrian movement close to the vehicle which would set off an alert, lock doors and close windows automatically. Not saying that’s an option that is necessarily useful, but shows the bespoke nature of it. The built in computers and information relayed to the vehicles looks light years ahead.
How many hours are being spent and resources used by every force to research, design, price up items that could be on a National roll out. One source, one (presumably) cheaper price.
One National logistics center. Phonecall goes in….
Need a ‘National’ ARV… done. Options.. marked / unmarked.
National carbine, handgun, optics etc etc.
Need national ballistic shields for said ARV… done.
National trauma bag… done.
A new defib… done.
A big one. Uniform.
So it's just not economically feasible for a bespoke RPU car, no manufacturer is going to spend the development money for maybe a 1000 orders a year (wild guess based on 20 per force, per year x 43 forces, plus a few more). It'll never make any money.
Look at the USA (and I'm guessing you could add Canada into the mix) where there is nearly 800k officers, all their cars would be regarded as RPU/ pursuit vehicles and you can understand how they get bespoke cars.
But I absolutely agree that there should be far more collaboration with regards to purchasing in a national capacity, so much waste. But everyone seems to want something different, Uniform is a classic example. nationally agreed uniform, but certain forces refused to change their uniform to the national one.
LosingGrip said:
340600 said:
Do police-spec Volvo's have the 112mph speed limiter removed? I'm assuming they must do but Volvo have taken a very firm stance in keeping this in place for customer cars.
Yeah no speed limiter in the Volvos at 112mph. Drumroll said:
LosingGrip said:
340600 said:
Do police-spec Volvo's have the 112mph speed limiter removed? I'm assuming they must do but Volvo have taken a very firm stance in keeping this in place for customer cars.
Yeah no speed limiter in the Volvos at 112mph. One of our newer ones went completely bonkers after a windscreen replacement and kept trying to steer the car off the road!
WolvesWill said:
They tried a national contract for uniform (with DHL), which does not seem to have worked out especially well. Huge lead times for many items which were previously available off the shelf.
Uniform....another absolute shambles. I ordered some new kit and one item took 14 months to arrive so over a year!!! No one cares other than those who are desperate for new uniform to replace the absolute bargain basement s
t that keeps falling apart. Go to SLT, no one cares.....raise it with DHL, no one cares. If it was a business operating like that with actual customers it wouldn't last a week. I dread to think how much money is wasted and how much awful kit just gets binned.
I had 4 new shirt sleeve shorts turn up, one of the arms literally fell off when I opened the packaging. A quick check on the rest of the shirts and they were just as bad. They were also build for someone with a 13" chest and 36" biceps.
Quality control is non-existent yet we're paying for this s
t. Elroy Blue said:
The trousers are particularly great. In order to get a 32" waist, you have to order a 40". Unfortunately the '40" (32)' waist comes with an arse that goes down to your knees.
Absolute and utter crap
I'm quite lucky that my role dictates nice 5.11 trousers which quite frankly they should issue to everyone as they're bomb proof and fit well. I've got pairs that are 5 years old and they're still going strong. Absolute and utter crap
Greendubber said:
Uniform....another absolute shambles. I ordered some new kit and one item took 14 months to arrive so over a year!!!
No one cares other than those who are desperate for new uniform to replace the absolute bargain basement st that keeps falling apart. Go to SLT, no one cares.....raise it with DHL, no one cares.
If it was a business operating like that with actual customers it wouldn't last a week. I dread to think how much money is wasted and how much awful kit just gets binned.
I had 4 new shirt sleeve shorts turn up, one of the arms literally fell off when I opened the packaging. A quick check on the rest of the shirts and they were just as bad. They were also build for someone with a 13" chest and 36" biceps.
Quality control is non-existent yet we're paying for this st.
Our (allegedly) wicking black shirts cost 75p, 75 fNo one cares other than those who are desperate for new uniform to replace the absolute bargain basement s
t that keeps falling apart. Go to SLT, no one cares.....raise it with DHL, no one cares. If it was a business operating like that with actual customers it wouldn't last a week. I dread to think how much money is wasted and how much awful kit just gets binned.
I had 4 new shirt sleeve shorts turn up, one of the arms literally fell off when I opened the packaging. A quick check on the rest of the shirts and they were just as bad. They were also build for someone with a 13" chest and 36" biceps.
Quality control is non-existent yet we're paying for this s
t. king pence!! Unsurprisingly, they're not at all wick away, make you sweat more if anything. Our lot have even stopped embroidering the sleeves as it costs too much money. I can't even get a new class 3 reflective at the moment, as I'm not classed as frontline, even though I have to do overtime and also teach the frontline officers how to do stuff. They didn't get that standing on the hard shoulder of the motorway, is the same whether you're frontline or not.
And yet procurement will piss away tens of thousands buying stuff that's seriously overpriced and can be bought cheaper elsewhere, just because the cheaper retailer 'isn't on the approved list of suppliers'. Bloody madness!!
Greendubber said:
I'm quite lucky that my role dictates nice 5.11 trousers which quite frankly they should issue to everyone as they're bomb proof and fit well. I've got pairs that are 5 years old and they're still going strong.
I got all my 511s when I was motorway. Continued to wear them due to the others being totally crap They're the only bit of uniform I kept when I left
Greendubber said:
Elroy Blue said:
The trousers are particularly great. In order to get a 32" waist, you have to order a 40". Unfortunately the '40" (32)' waist comes with an arse that goes down to your knees.
Absolute and utter crap
I'm quite lucky that my role dictates nice 5.11 trousers which quite frankly they should issue to everyone as they're bomb proof and fit well. I've got pairs that are 5 years old and they're still going strong. Absolute and utter crap
Greendubber said:
Uniform....another absolute shambles. I ordered some new kit and one item took 14 months to arrive so over a year!!!
No one cares other than those who are desperate for new uniform to replace the absolute bargain basement st that keeps falling apart. Go to SLT, no one cares.....raise it with DHL, no one cares.
If it was a business operating like that with actual customers it wouldn't last a week. I dread to think how much money is wasted and how much awful kit just gets binned.
I had 4 new shirt sleeve shorts turn up, one of the arms literally fell off when I opened the packaging. A quick check on the rest of the shirts and they were just as bad. They were also build for someone with a 13" chest and 36" biceps.
Quality control is non-existent yet we're paying for this st.
I'm a regular response joe (in the same organisation as yourself) so no gucci trousers for me, I am yet to rip the arse out of a pair of the standard trousers yet, which means I am doing better than several others on my team, however I find the stitching on the pockets goes so the pockets bloom outwards, looks terrible.No one cares other than those who are desperate for new uniform to replace the absolute bargain basement s
t that keeps falling apart. Go to SLT, no one cares.....raise it with DHL, no one cares. If it was a business operating like that with actual customers it wouldn't last a week. I dread to think how much money is wasted and how much awful kit just gets binned.
I had 4 new shirt sleeve shorts turn up, one of the arms literally fell off when I opened the packaging. A quick check on the rest of the shirts and they were just as bad. They were also build for someone with a 13" chest and 36" biceps.
Quality control is non-existent yet we're paying for this s
t. I ordered a load of extra kit as I was permitted to as I was deployed for COP26, the last ordered item turned up in the April after the deployment (for a deployment in October to November)!
My biggest gripe is our kit is the current brand public order boots, which are absolutely terrible. Seams come unstitched after negligible use, toe protector has no internal padding so rubs the top of your fit, and the totally loose insoles so they come out with your feet every time you take the boot off (not ideal for something you could expect to be changing in/out of quickly in an operational setting), and move around, wrinkling up under your toes after being worn for any length of time. Comfort is non-existent and fit is poor.
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