Tractor pushes parked cars out of the way

[anonymous-user]

Out of interest - does anyone know how far from his farm had he got before he was blocked by the parked cars?

[anonymous-user]

According to the description here, he left the farm with the trailer and then found his way blocked:

"In it, he wrote: "The big tractor carrying a huge sheep trailer left the farm at the end of the road. "I then saw him stop along the road."
http://www.timesandstar.co.uk/news/Cumbria-Police-...

So he was physically incapable of reversing 500m back to his farm? Yeah right, more like pissed off and decided to just keep going.

[anonymous-user]

Never you mind said:

Lets see this vid of you reversing a tractor trailer combo then if its soooo easy to do.

I don't have to , because I'm not a farmer. He is, so really he should be able to, as HGV drivers can and do:

For example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv6r2xts4V8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coa4sWcDCXc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30H9oqsojOM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQHpwSQwfg0

If its beyond his skillset to reverse his vehicle with a trailer on, perhaps some extra driver training would be in order...

[anonymous-user]

Efbe said:

JimSuperSix said:

Never you mind said:

Lets see this vid of you reversing a tractor trailer combo then if its soooo easy to do.

I don't have to , because I'm not a farmer. He is, so really he should be able to, as HGV drivers can and do:

For example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv6r2xts4V8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coa4sWcDCXc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30H9oqsojOM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQHpwSQwfg0

If its beyond his skillset to reverse his vehicle with a trailer on, perhaps some extra driver training would be in order...

First two are trucks.
second two are tractors with low loads the driver can see through, both small.

Not even close boyo

If you say so I assume his tractor was far larger than the semi in the first clip? Or going far faster than the chap in the final pic? Funny thing that, HGVs reverse with huge trailers every day.... Even I've reversed a twin axle trailer with a car on it up a sloping narrow driveway....but he can't manage a little way up the lane he's just driven down (and presumably drives along every day)..hmmm...well I'm convinced

[anonymous-user]

Zetec-S said:

JimSuperSix said:

Efbe said:

JimSuperSix said:

Never you mind said:

Lets see this vid of you reversing a tractor trailer combo then if its soooo easy to do.

I don't have to , because I'm not a farmer. He is, so really he should be able to, as HGV drivers can and do:

For example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv6r2xts4V8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coa4sWcDCXc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30H9oqsojOM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQHpwSQwfg0

If its beyond his skillset to reverse his vehicle with a trailer on, perhaps some extra driver training would be in order...

First two are trucks.
second two are tractors with low loads the driver can see through, both small.

Not even close boyo

If you say so I assume his tractor was far larger than the semi in the first clip? Or going far faster than the chap in the final pic? Funny thing that, HGVs reverse with huge trailers every day.... Even I've reversed a twin axle trailer with a car on it up a sloping narrow driveway....but he can't manage a little way up the lane he's just driven down (and presumably drives along every day)..hmmm...well I'm convinced

Not denying the skill involved in any of those videos, but none of them have rows of parked cars either side of the road. If they had I suspect it wouldn't have been so easy possible.

Except at the point he needed to reverse , ie before he started to pass the cars when his way was blocked (according to that witness statement) there weren't any parked cars on the sides were there? So that shoots down that point. If he managed to get a way past rows of parked cars before reaching a choke point, then his trailer obviously fits through, so it would be possible to reverse out the same way he came in. Tricky - certainly, but then "its his job" isn't it?

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 17th November 14:14

[anonymous-user]

Oh dear, a 2CVs-lite bullet list

1. if the cars are illegally parked, prosecute them too. Already said that a few times.
2. tooManysCVs or someone stated that tractors are the same size as large cars or whatever , not me. My point was the opposite - cars got past, so if the tractor has to be the same width, it could get past too. If not, then it was larger than a car. Fairly simple stuff.
3. I dont care about the mentality of the parked car drivers - see point 1.
4. as for your options list - smashing through the cars is the illegal one , so he should have done something else, as mentioned before (a few times.)

[anonymous-user]

TooMany2cvs said:

JimSuperSix said:

Except at the point he needed to reverse , ie before he started to pass the cars when his way was blocked (according to that witness statement) there weren't any parked cars on the sides were there? So that shoots down that point.

You really haven't looked at the pictures, have you?

Here's a reminder...

Lord Marylebone said:

Lord Marylebone said:

What exactly do you think the images show in relation to the position of the tractor / farm etc.? The witness said he drove out of his farm, stopped (presumably where the cars were) then carried on by crashing into them. I'm not sure how you think the images of the damaged vehicles in any way prove your "point" that he had no option but to smash into them.

They do however nicely show that cars could drive through there OK, so if as per your earlier point that tractors can't be wider than cars, then their parking was perfectly fine.

I think you need to make up your mind what your actual point is.

[anonymous-user]

James TiT said:

The cars were causing an obstruction.

Oh dear, welcome to the world. Doesn't excuse criminal damage (which I hope they decide it is).

[anonymous-user]

TooMany2cvs said:

JimSuperSix said:

2. tooManysCVs or someone stated that tractors are the same size as large cars or whatever , not me. My point was the opposite - cars got past, so if the tractor has to be the same width, it could get past too. If not, then it was larger than a car. Fairly simple stuff.

What I actually said was that tractors are subject to the same width restrictions as other vehicles. Obviously, many vehicles are narrower than those maximums. That doesn't mean it's acceptable to only leave enough width for some vehicles to get through, but not others. Or are you suggesting it is?

JimSuperSix said:

What exactly do you think the images show in relation to the position of the tractor / farm etc.?

I think they show very clearly that there were indeed parked cars which he had passed before reaching the point he found blocked, which meant reversing was not going to be possible. There were also others after.

JimSuperSix said:

The witness said he drove out of his farm, stopped (presumably where the cars were) then carried on by crashing into them.

Do you think the damage shows he was travelling in the same direction as the BMW & Skoda were pointing, or the opposite direction?
Are the BMW and Skoda pointing towards the farm, or away?

JimSuperSix said:

I'm not sure how you think the images of the damaged vehicles in any way prove your "point" that he had no option

So what other options did he have?

JimSuperSix said:

but to smash into them.

Do the pictures look to you like the damage was caused by somebody trying to inflict maximum damage to as many cars as possible? Look at the blue Focus estate in front of the BMW...

Blimey you are slow - please try reading some of my earlier replies, and don't just keep re-posting "So what other options did he have?". I've already listed them many times, but the main one is "don't carry on smashing up vehicles."
Also as said before, if the cars are parked illegally, prosecute them. What I hope happens is that the farmer gets prosecuted too, because his actions go way beyond the acceptable line (unlike that other farmer, see earlier).

[anonymous-user]

TooMany2cvs said:

JimSuperSix said:

Blimey you are slow - please try reading some of my earlier replies, and don't just keep re-posting "So what other options did he have?". I've already listed them many times, but the main one is "don't carry on smashing up vehicles."

So you're saying that he should just sit there for hours, totally preventing any vehicles from above from getting out? And you don't think that might prevent the Jag and the BMW and/or Skoda from being able to move either?

Now, about which direction the farm is, and which direction he was travelling...? Go on, take a guess.

I'm saying that he should not have acted illegally and smashed up cars , and seeing as he did he should be prosecuted. Whether he needed to sit there until the end of time is of little relevance.

[anonymous-user]

Byker28i said:

Never you mind said:

JimSuperSix said:

According to the description here, he left the farm with the trailer and then found his way blocked:

"In it, he wrote: "The big tractor carrying a huge sheep trailer left the farm at the end of the road. "I then saw him stop along the road."
http://www.timesandstar.co.uk/news/Cumbria-Police-...

So he was physically incapable of reversing 500m back to his farm? Yeah right, more like pissed off and decided to just keep going.

"He couldn't get through the gap and couldn't turn around. So... he just went through damaging at least four cars, yours coming of worst."

I presume the witness, you know the one that was there, could have said he didn't bother reversing but no didn't. The witness, the one that was there, makes out like he was kind between a rock and hard place.

Lets see this vid of you reversing a tractor trailer combo then if its soooo easy to do.

here he is

wonder if he's capable of reversing his tractor...

[anonymous-user]

TooMany2cvs said:

JimSuperSix said:

I'm saying that he should not have acted illegally...

The reality is that what he did was almost certainly perfectly legal.

Well I suppose we will find out in due course. I hope he gets hammered for it.

[anonymous-user]

James TiT said:

The cars were causing an obstruction.

OK that did make me laugh this time

[anonymous-user]

TooMany2cvs said:

Even if it was legal?

Taking in all that you have days I find it hard to believe that he had a legal authority, or lawful grounds to do what did.

I applaud him for it but think he will get punished.

[anonymous-user]

TooMany2cvs said:

JimSuperSix said:

TooMany2cvs said:

JimSuperSix said:

I'm saying that he should not have acted illegally...

The reality is that what he did was almost certainly perfectly legal.

Well I suppose we will find out in due course. I hope he gets hammered for it.

Even if it was legal?

[anonymous-user]

Efbe said:

JimSuperSix said:

TooMany2cvs said:

JimSuperSix said:

Blimey you are slow - please try reading some of my earlier replies, and don't just keep re-posting "So what other options did he have?". I've already listed them many times, but the main one is "don't carry on smashing up vehicles."

So you're saying that he should just sit there for hours, totally preventing any vehicles from above from getting out? And you don't think that might prevent the Jag and the BMW and/or Skoda from being able to move either?

Now, about which direction the farm is, and which direction he was travelling...? Go on, take a guess.

I'm saying that he should not have acted illegally and smashed up cars , and seeing as he did he should be prosecuted. Whether he needed to sit there until the end of time is of little relevance.

it is of relevance, because... if you had bothered to read the thread... there are distance/time limits on how long you can have sheep in a trailer for.

These may or may not have been close, meaning he had to get them somewhere. If this did go to court, I would expect this defense to be rolled out as well, regardless of the truth

The sheep may have only been in there for 10 minutes, so your speculation on that being grounds for smashing up cars is pointless.

[anonymous-user]

popeyewhite said:

TooMany2cvs said:

JimSuperSix said:

I'm saying that he should not have acted illegally...

The reality is that what he did was almost certainly perfectly legal.

I'm afraid Jim seems only able to focus dogmatically on whether damage to property is legal, whilst ignoring the wider context. Of course the Police and perhaps a judge will look at the full picture of any supposed law breaking and deal with it with regard to the circumstances in which it occurred.

The wider context being what? That anyone obstructed in their job should be able to destroy property with no comeback? Should a paramedic running down a hospital corridor to his ambulance be allowed to punch 93 year old Doris right in the mouth because she's in the way?

Its pretty obvious that in this case there was no emergency, no lives at stake, just a pissed off farmer. So I hope he gets prosecuted for it.

[anonymous-user]

TooMany2cvs said:

James TiT said:

TooMany2cvs said:

Even if it was legal?

I believe that you see very few agricultural vehicles with implements in your area?

I like you. You're funny.

Let's put it this way - sheep graze in fields adjoining my garden in three directions. They're not all from the same farm. If I walk down the lane between the two farms, I get to a third sheep farm. If I walk past that farm, their neighbour is a fourth sheep farm. If I walk past that, there's sheep from somebody else in the fields there. I'm also the token non-farmer on our parish council.

I didn't grow up around here - I grew up 150 miles away, in... a sheep farming area, with sheep in the field in front of my parents house, and somebody else's sheep in the field at the back.

You must be an expert on sheep then (along with everything else..)

[anonymous-user]

ferrisbueller said:

TooMany2cvs said:

James TiT said:

TooMany2cvs said:

Even if it was legal?

I believe that you see very few agricultural vehicles with implements in your area?

I like you. You're funny.

Let's put it this way - sheep graze in fields adjoining my garden in three directions. They're not all from the same farm. If I walk down the lane between the two farms, I get to a third sheep farm. If I walk past that farm, their neighbour is a fourth sheep farm. If I walk past that, there's sheep from somebody else in the fields there. I'm also the token non-farmer on our parish council.

I didn't grow up around here - I grew up 150 miles away, in... a sheep farming area, with sheep in the field in front of my parents house, and somebody else's sheep in the field at the back.

I'm betting you've had many, many, sexual partners.

A long time 'fighting for the one with the prettiest face'?

[anonymous-user]

popeyewhite said:

JimSuperSix said:

The wider context being what?

Mitigating circumstances, of which it appears there were a number.

JimSuperSix said:

That anyone obstructed in their job should be able to destroy property with no comeback?

I don't believe anyone other than you has suggested that. Property damaged, then maybe.

JimSuperSix said:

Should a paramedic running down a hospital corridor to his ambulance be allowed to punch 93 year old Doris right in the mouth because she's in the way? Its pretty obvious that in this case there was no emergency, no lives at stake, just a pissed off farmer.

Fortunately someone less melodramatic and emotional than yourself will decide that.

JimSuperSix said:

So I hope he gets prosecuted for it.

Would it bother you if for a number of years periodically you couldn't get access to your home which was also your place of work because people left their cars in the way?

Yes you nailed it there, well done.

1. there dont appear to be any potential mitigating circumstances other than he might have had a load of sheep in the back for 8+ hours, which is more likely to have been 10 minutes.
2. thats exactly what a lot of people here are suggesting by congratulating the farmer, not something i am suggesting
3. well lets hope its someone more intelligent than most of the posters on here.
4. yes, but i wouldnt resort to smashing up cars, and if i did i would expect to be prosecuted for it.