We'l have your car if your not insured! 23.09.04

[pesty]

gemini said:

Hope all goes well - its the type of enforcement you want? >>> Edited by gemini on Wednesday 22 September 23:15

Yes.! Damn right.

not because I pay £800 for my car £800 ish for my bike and £500 for partners car.

Altough it is a fatcor. its because I feel for the people who get hit by these peopel and are left with the bill.

[bogush]

pesty said:

gemini said: Hope all goes well - its the type of enforcement you want? >>> Edited by gemini on Wednesday 22 September 23:15 Yes.! Damn right. not because I pay £800 for my car £800 ish for my bike and £500 for partners car. Altough it is a fatcor. its because I feel for the people who get hit by these peopel and are left with the bill.

Got it in one, pesty:

Except that the people who hit people and leave them with the bill usually get away scott free.

Whilst too many "laws" hit those who are harmless and law abiding citizens who just happen to have infringed an arbitrary administrative edict, or accidentally and temporarily infringed a more reasonable law through forgetfulness or human error.

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bogush said:

The rules should be there to protect citizens, not oppress them.

They do. They potentially stop idiots from driving when their licence is taken away because they cannot adhere to what has been 'deemed' a safe limit. Whether you agree with that is immaterial. A limit is set and that is the safe limit according to those that want it to apply (mainly I hasten to add through pressure brought by those who live in the vicinity of it).

bogush said:

You don't appear to be aware of the guidelines for policing speed limits:

Gemini is a decision maker at Inspector level.
I think he will probably understand the guidelines

bogush said:

They are there, as your trainers appear not to have told you, to facilitate the prosecution of those who drive markedly in excess of the safe speed for the road and the conditions.

You are out of touch bogush. 3 mph in a 30mph is 10% above the limit.
6 mph is therefore 20% above the limit.
Would you describe 20% discount on an item you want to buy as markedly in less of the price you should initially have payed. I would

bogush said:

Not to facilitate the taxing of those who police themselves and drive safely, but occasionally creep over an artificial and arbitrarily lowered limit.

But they don't as we so regularly see. They continually crash into each other and other objects.

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bogush said:

Whilst too many "laws" hit those who are harmless and law abiding citizens who just happen to have infringed an arbitrary administrative edict, or accidentally and temporarily infringed a more reasonable law through forgetfulness or human error.

For once I actually agree with you
Life aint fair though bogush, get used to it

[bogush]

gone said:

bogush said: The rules should be there to protect citizens, not oppress them. They do. They potentially stop idiots from driving when their licence is taken away because they cannot adhere to what has been 'deemed' a safe limit.

Duh?

gone nearly said:

Imprisoning all drivers, or, better still, executing them, potentially stop idiots from driving when their licence is taken away because they cannot adhere to what has been 'deemed' a safe limit.

gone then said:

Whether you agree with that is immaterial.

So that's alright then!

gone said:

A limit is set and that is the safe limit according to those that want it to apply (mainly I hasten to add through pressure brought by those who live in the vicinity of it).

At least you're not recycling the spin that the safe speed is first determined and the limit set at that, or that experts are in any way involved.

gone said:

bogush said: You don't appear to be aware of the guidelines for policing speed limits: Gemini is a decision maker at Inspector level. I think he will probably understand the guidelines

Double Duh?

Are you admitting that everyone from inspector down isn't aware of the guidelines?

Or everyone from inspector up?

Or both?

As well as confessing that they consciously and deliberately flout them and twist them to their own ends?

Nice one gone!


Mind you, it's par for the course for the authorities.

Like when the police (when you could still get them) automatically refusing a firearms licence to people who gave personal protection as a reason for wanting one.

When the exact opposite was supposed to apply.

Or like when the authorities use an act that was meant to allow the classification of films according to their flammability or explosive potential and restrict audience numbers on safety grounds to classify and restrict viewing of them according to censorship values.

gone said:

bogush said: They are there, as your trainers appear not to have told you, to facilitate the prosecution of those who drive markedly in excess of the safe speed for the road and the conditions. You are out of touch bogush. 3 mph in a 30mph is 10% above the limit. 6 mph is therefore 20% above the limit. Would you describe 20% discount on an item you want to buy as markedly in less of the price you should initially have payed. I would

Triple Duh?!?!?!

What on earth are you on about?!?!?

What on earth has anything you have said there got to do with my point?

Would you consider half price an even more marked discount?

So you are claiming that we are getting a good deal when we are pulled up for 36 on a dual carriageway?!?!?

Is this what they teach them at BiB college nowadays?

gone said:

bogush said: Not to facilitate the taxing of those who police themselves and drive safely, but occasionally creep over an artificial and arbitrarily lowered limit. But they don't as we so regularly see. They continually crash into each other and other objects.

Must be just my area then.

Since they saturated it with cameras we seem to be getting more than our fair share of fatalities on the roads reported in the local press.

But the drivers seem to have been doing 80 in a genuine 30 without a license (because they are too young and been "disqualified" numerous times) and on drink and drugs.

Or they are police.

>> Edited by bogush on Saturday 25th September 13:17

[bogush]

gone said:

bogush said: They are there, as your trainers appear not to have told you, to facilitate the prosecution of those who drive markedly in excess of the safe speed for the road and the conditions. You are out of touch bogush. 3 mph in a 30mph is 10% above the limit. 6 mph is therefore 20% above the limit. Would you describe 20% discount on an item you want to buy as markedly in less of the price you should initially have payed. I would

As it seems to be the only thing you understand, gone, let's develop your "Home Economics" approach to policing.

gone might as well have said:

Would you describe 20% discount on an item you want to buy as markedly in less of the price you should initially have payed. Would you describe a 20% discount off £3,600 for a small cheap standard sized uPVC window replacement on the ground floor as markedly less than the price you should initially have paid? Would you describe a 20% discount off £3,600 for fixing a loose tile on a bungalow as markedly less than the price you should initially have paid? Would you describe a 20% discount off £3,600 for patching a small hole in a drive with "leftover" tarmac from a motorway job round the corner as markedly less than the price you should initially have paid?

It would appear gone would!

So, basically, gone, you are saying that BiB college is turning out scammers, cons and pikeys.

Does your inspector know about your unique brand of PR?

[bogush]

Just one final eensy-weensy teensy point on that post:

gone said:

bogush said: They are there, as your trainers appear not to have told you, to facilitate the prosecution of those who drive markedly in excess of the safe speed for the road and the conditions. You are out of touch bogush. 3 mph in a 30mph is 10% above the limit. 6 mph is therefore 20% above the limit. Would you describe 20% discount on an item you want to buy as markedly in less of the price you should initially have payed. I would

Which bit of "safe" did you miss, gone?

With observation skills like that, I hope you don't drive.

[bogush]

gone said:

bogush said: Whilst too many "laws" hit those who are harmless and law abiding citizens who just happen to have infringed an arbitrary administrative edict, or accidentally and temporarily infringed a more reasonable law through forgetfulness or human error. For once I actually agree with you Life aint fair though bogush, get used to it

gone could just as easily have said:

bogush might have said: Whilst too many "laws" hit those who are harmless and law abiding citizens who just happen to have infringed an arbitrary administrative edict, or accidentally and temporarily infringed a more reasonable law through forgetfulness or human error. Like Jews in Hitler's Germany, any number of kinds of people in Stalin's Russia....... For once I actually agree with you Life aint fair though bogush, get used to it

Get used to 1984:

It's finally arrived.

Courtesy of gone!

[Streetcop]

bogush said:

Get used to 1984: It's finally arrived.

In the news:

▪ Trucks used for SNG (satellite news gathering).
▪ Machine translates basic Japanese into basic English, but with mistakes.
▪ Portable compact disc player arrives.
▪ National Geographic puts a hologram on its cover.
▪ From Florida, Radio Marti beams anti-Castro propaganda to Cuba.
▪ William Gibson coins the term "cyberspace" in his novel Neuromancer.
▪ A television set can be worn on the wrist.
▪ Japanese introduce high quality facsmile over phone lines.
▪ Several large U.S. newspapers offer online text versions.
▪ Apple Macintosh and IBM PC AT are introduced.
▪ Canon sells an electronic still camera.
▪ 3 1/2-inch disk drive.
▪ AT&T fiber optic cable service extends from Boston to Washington.
▪ The 32-bit microprocessor.
▪ CD-ROM disk can hold 270,000 typewritten pages of data.
▪ Broadway Pulitzer musical, Sondheim's Sunday in the Park with George.
▪ Oscars: Amadeus, F. Murray Abraham, Sally Field.
▪ Also at the movies: Places in the Heart, The Killing Fields, The Natural.
▪ Foreign language film Oscar: Dangerous Moves, Switzerland.
▪ The one-megabyte memory chip.
▪ CONUS relays news feeds for stations on Ku-band satellites.
▪ Nobel Prize in Literature: Czech poet Jaroslav Seifert.
▪ Multiple award novelist John Updike, The Witches of Eastwick.
▪ Playwright Sam Shepard, Fool for Love.
▪ Novelist Tom Clancy, The Hunt For Red October and Red Storm Rising.

In the music charts:

Round and Round - Ratt
Rock You Like a Hurricane - Scorpions
We're Not Gonna Take It - Twisted Sister
Jump - Van Halen
Sister Christian - Night Ranger
Runaway - Bon Jovi
Back For More - Ratt
Pride (In the Name of Love) - U2
Karma Chameleon - Culture Club
I Can't Drive 55 - Sammy Hagar
Bang Your Head (Metal Health) - Quiet Riot
I Wanna Rock - Twisted Sister
I Can’t Hold Back - Survivor
Missing You - John Waite
I'll Wait - Van Halen
Drive - The Cars
Authority Song - John Cougar Mellencamp
Send Me an Angel - Real Life
Almost Paradise - Mike Reno and Ann Wilson
Oh Sherrie - Steve Perry
Sunglasses at Night - Corey Hart
Hot For Teacher - Van Halen
Big City Nights - Scorpions
Here Comes the Rain Again - Eurythmics
Too Young to Fall in Love - Motley Crue
Girls Just Wanna Have Fun - Cyndi Lauper
Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go - Wham
Owner of a Lonely Heart - Yes
Stick It - Great White
The Last in Line - Dio
Panama - Van Halen
Midnite Maniac - Krokus
Time After Time - Cyndi Lauper
The Boys of Summer - Don Henley
It's a Miracle - Culture Club
Borderline - Madonna
Still Loving You - The Scorpions
Love Ain't No Stranger - Whitesnake
Do They Know It's Christmas - Band Aid
Heaven's on Fire - Kiss
Run, Runaway - Slade
It's My Life - Talk Talk
The Reflex - Duran Duran
Wanted Man - Ratt
Footloose - Kenny Loggins
The Ghost in You - Psychedelic Furs
All Through the Night - Cyndi Lauper
Hold Me Now - Thompson Twins
Miss Me Blind - Culture Club
No More Words - Berlin
The Warrior - Scandal f/ Patty Smith
Run to You - Bryan Adams
You Might Think - The Cars
Head Over Heels - The Go Go's
Balls to the Wall - Accept
I Guess That's Why They Call It The Blues - Elton John
We Belong - Pat Benatar
Eyes Without A Face - Billy Idol
Holiday - Madonna
Looks That Kill - Motley Crue
Wrapped Around Your Finger - The Police
One In A Million - The Romantics
Whisper to a Scream - Icicle Works
Rebel Yell - Billy Idol
Born in the U.S.A. - Bruce Springsteen
New Song - Howard Jones
She Bop - Cyndi Lauper
Let's Hear It For the Boy - Deniece Williams
South Central Rain (I'm Sorry) - R.E.M.
Magic - The Cars
What's Love Got To Do With It - Tina Turner
She Don't Know Me - Bon Jovi
Slow An' Easy - Whitesnake
What is Love? - Howard Jones
New Moon on Monday - Duran Duran
New Girl Now - Honeymoon Suite
Purple Rain - Prince
All I Need - Jack Wagner
Against All Odds - Phil Collins
Sea of Love - The Honeydrippers
Beatstreet - Grandmaster Melle Mel & The Furious Five
Lucky Star - Madonna
When Doves Cry - Prince
I Will Follow - U2
Legs - ZZ Top
Original Sin - INXS
Thriller - Michael Jackson
Mama, Weer All Crazee Now - Quiet Riot
Catch Me I'm Falling - Real Life
They Don’t Know - Tracey Ullman
Flesh for Fantasy - Billy Idol
Call to the Heart - Guiffria
On The Dark Side - John Caffery and the Brown Beaver Band
The Old Man Down the Road - John Fogerty


Well done Bogush...you could really be a 'fun guy' after all...

Street


>> Edited by Streetcop on Saturday 25th September 14:03

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Bogush,

Apart from being incredibly insulting, which is something I have come to expect from you, you appear to be missng the point again and getting the wrong end of the stick!
Still it is easy to insult and practice 'oneupmanship' on a notice board where you remain anonymous!

I am still waiting for a glimpse of the line of expertise that the bogush mind has been honed by (occupation etc) still I won't hold my breath on that one eh bogush!

For you to understand the 10%, 20%, 30%, I will simplyfy it.


If you get a 10% discount, you may have done well.
If you get a 20% discount, you have done much better.
If you have a 30% discount, that is absolutely marvelous.

Equate that to a speeding driver.

10% above the limit = a warning.
20% above the limit = a FPT fixed by law at £60
30% above the limit = a visit to the Magistrates to explain why.

All very much in line with the discount situation which your fuddled mind finds so hard to comprehend.

You obviously have no comprehension of Policy in relation to individual or national guidelines for decision makers in Police process units or you would have refrained from posting such utter claptrap about Inspectors and below.

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bogush said:

Which bit of "safe" did you miss, gone? With observation skills like that, I hope you don't drive.

Bogush.

Safe = the relevant limit decided at local Govt for that particular piece of tarmac posted on a tin plate. What you may consider safe or anyone else for that matter after the decision has been made and the plate erected is immaterial.

20% above that limit is 'Markedly above' that limit and is prosecuted. It is that simple

I do not need to post my driving qualifictaions to you for any reason whatsoever. They are immaterial to your arguements but they do form part of your condescending spiral into insulting abuse!

[bogush]

gone said:

Bogush, Apart from being incredibly insulting, which is something I have come to expect from you, you appear to be missng the point again and getting the wrong end of the stick! Still it is easy to insult and practice 'oneupmanship' on a notice board where you remain anonymous! I am still waiting for a glimpse of the line of expertise that the bogush mind has been honed by (occupation etc) still I won't hold my breath on that one eh bogush!

And my response to that bit of complimentary flattery?

Who needs expertise when I still manage to prove you wrong every time?

And you don't need any expertise as a detective (so you shouldn't have any trouble then!) to establish my admittedly limited "expertise". But it's not expertise that is needed, it's common sense and integrity.

gone said:

For you to understand the 10%, 20%, 30%, I will simplyfy it. If you get a 10% discount, you may have done well. If you get a 20% discount, you have done much better. If you have a 30% discount, that is absolutely marvelous. Equate that to a speeding driver. 10% above the limit = a warning. 20% above the limit = a FPT fixed by law at £60 30% above the limit = a visit to the Magistrates to explain why. All very much in line with the discount situation which your fuddled mind finds so hard to comprehend. You obviously have no comprehension of Policy in relation to individual or national guidelines for decision makers in Police process units or you would have refrained from posting such utter claptrap about Inspectors and below.

Let me put this in big letters so you can read it more easily, just in case you actually tried to read it earlier but struggled:


If you get done for exceeding 30 by 6mph on a road that should be a 40 you are not getting a 20% discount.

If you get done for exceeding 50 by 10mph when the limit is 70 you are not getting a 20% discount.

If you get done for exceeding 30 by 6mph when you were doing under 30, under 20, under 10, or even under 5mph you are not getting a 20% discount.

PS Feel free to post your full name, address, force and number.

PPS You clearly have no idea what the legal guidelines are, though I accept that this might be because they are not the same ones as the police "service" have indoctrinated you with.