Grassing up a Covid **** taker.
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mybrainhurts said:
okgo said:
StevenB said:
As per this mornings briefing, it's not just you taking a chance, you are taking the risk for everyone you come into contact with parents, grandparents friends relations etc, down the line your actions will lead to people dying.
UK public are likely among the most thick and I refer you to my earlier post, detailing the insignificant number of deaths to date.
Has anybody watched videos from this bloke? He uploaded a Covid related one the other day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60NzTVTbe-I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60NzTVTbe-I
The level of total idiocy on this thread beggars belief.
You’re worried about the impact of the covid pandemic on other conditions such as cancer? Yes, because other resources have had to be diverted to dealing with covid then more people will die of these conditions.
The fix for that is not more COVID.
If Covid is rampant in the community, then anybody with a pre-existing condition such as, ooooh I dunno, cancer is far more likely to die of it.
It’s an easy target for the thoughtless and the cruel to say things like morbidly obese diabetic people will die and that’s no loss to society “overall”. But who are they to make a value judgement on the worth of another human being’s life? What about the hundreds of thousands of people with other underlying conditions who do not fit that lazy, arrogant template?
A second wave was not inevitable. We are now where we are because of a combination of the stupid and the arrogant deciding that the guidelines do not apply to them.
You’re worried about the impact of the covid pandemic on other conditions such as cancer? Yes, because other resources have had to be diverted to dealing with covid then more people will die of these conditions.
The fix for that is not more COVID.
If Covid is rampant in the community, then anybody with a pre-existing condition such as, ooooh I dunno, cancer is far more likely to die of it.
It’s an easy target for the thoughtless and the cruel to say things like morbidly obese diabetic people will die and that’s no loss to society “overall”. But who are they to make a value judgement on the worth of another human being’s life? What about the hundreds of thousands of people with other underlying conditions who do not fit that lazy, arrogant template?
A second wave was not inevitable. We are now where we are because of a combination of the stupid and the arrogant deciding that the guidelines do not apply to them.
whitesocks said:
Japan is a success story.
They never had a lockdown, and citizens were only told to wear masks. Yet, there number of cases has dropped dramatically.
They declared a state of emergency, the difference being they did not take punitive or legal measures to get people to act accordingly.They never had a lockdown, and citizens were only told to wear masks. Yet, there number of cases has dropped dramatically.
Masks clearly do work then
charltjr said:
But who are they to make a value judgement on the worth of another human being’s life? What about the hundreds of thousands of people with other underlying conditions who do not fit that lazy, arrogant template?
Itll blow your mind when you find out that some treatments to some people are denied by the NHS as its deemed to not be a good return on investment. Its someones job to decide that.charltjr said:
The level of total idiocy on this thread beggars belief.
You’re worried about the impact of the covid pandemic on other conditions such as cancer? Yes, because other resources have had to be diverted to dealing with covid then more people will die of these conditions.
The fix for that is not more COVID.
If Covid is rampant in the community, then anybody with a pre-existing condition such as, ooooh I dunno, cancer is far more likely to die of it.
It’s an easy target for the thoughtless and the cruel to say things like morbidly obese diabetic people will die and that’s no loss to society “overall”. But who are they to make a value judgement on the worth of another human being’s life? What about the hundreds of thousands of people with other underlying conditions who do not fit that lazy, arrogant template?
A second wave was not inevitable. We are now where we are because of a combination of the stupid and the arrogant deciding that the guidelines do not apply to them.
^You’re worried about the impact of the covid pandemic on other conditions such as cancer? Yes, because other resources have had to be diverted to dealing with covid then more people will die of these conditions.
The fix for that is not more COVID.
If Covid is rampant in the community, then anybody with a pre-existing condition such as, ooooh I dunno, cancer is far more likely to die of it.
It’s an easy target for the thoughtless and the cruel to say things like morbidly obese diabetic people will die and that’s no loss to society “overall”. But who are they to make a value judgement on the worth of another human being’s life? What about the hundreds of thousands of people with other underlying conditions who do not fit that lazy, arrogant template?
A second wave was not inevitable. We are now where we are because of a combination of the stupid and the arrogant deciding that the guidelines do not apply to them.
This 1000%
Some of the attitudes here are just toxic beyond belief.
whitesocks said:
You have to look at this in a balanced way.
What if the Government said 'Eh, it's just a virus. No difference from ones we have seen before. Just carry on like normal and we will see in a couple of months if it has made any significant impact' Would the death rate be any different? Or did a lockdown actually save more life's then if we didn't bother?
Just like Sweden did, taking sensible flu like precautions, and who are now operating as normal?What if the Government said 'Eh, it's just a virus. No difference from ones we have seen before. Just carry on like normal and we will see in a couple of months if it has made any significant impact' Would the death rate be any different? Or did a lockdown actually save more life's then if we didn't bother?
charltjr said:
A second wave was not inevitable. We are now where we are because of a combination of the stupid and the arrogant deciding that the guidelines do not apply to them.
That's part of it. I think when they dropped the daily briefing a weekly one would have been useful to keep getting the message across. If there is a coherent message. There seems to have been a lack of strategic planning by govt. Scientists say something, knee jerk reaction, no planning. When furlough was introduced it was clear that in Autumn workers and schools would be back and cases would rise. Testing would be a vital tool to enable that but it's still lacking.
And for a long time there has been sufficient data on the virus to base a planned, targeted approach, but we still get a one size fits all (apart from Scotland, Wales and NI, which clearly have a different covid). On R4 last Thurs (iirc) they visited Okehampton, in West Devon. West Devon, pop 50k, has currently 1 case of covid. Rother, near me, pop 56k, had 2 new cases last week.
A managed and monitored relaxation of restrictions would be the logical response in these areas. Both to help the economy and so people could access the healthcare they needed. It would also act as a test bed, providing useful data for the general relaxation which will inevitably happen and send a message to those areas where lack of compliance has let to a rise in cases. I'm not sure how you'd manage that, it'd need some deft and trusted politicians to make it happen. Oh.....
If you want to really know what is going on with COVID and how the government scientists (vaccine sales people for big pharma) are ignoring the science then watch this factual evidence based explanation, and share it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UvFhIFzaac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UvFhIFzaac
alorotom said:
The ignorance of a number of elements (stats, the reality of the virus traits, the unknown lasting consequences and what levels of health access are available) on this thread is truly unbelievable ... if ever there was proof needed that more than half the public are of lower than average intelligence, its right here.
You'll have to explain this one to me - I'm sure there's a statistical nuance that makes your statement accurate, but I always thought it was that half of any measured population were below the average measure.My view is that the people of above average intelligence must be really f
king clever, because the people of below average intelligence are really fking stupid and it needs to balance out somehow.Monkeylegend said:
whitesocks said:
Japan is a success story.
They never had a lockdown, and citizens were only told to wear masks. Yet, there number of cases has dropped dramatically.
They declared a state of emergency, the difference being they did not take punitive or legal measures to get people to act accordingly.They never had a lockdown, and citizens were only told to wear masks. Yet, there number of cases has dropped dramatically.
Masks clearly do work then
charltjr said:
A second wave was not inevitable. We are now where we are because of a combination of the stupid and the arrogant deciding that the guidelines do not apply to them.
Based on some of the English people I met on holiday who were totally ignoring the rules about wearing masks - Doctors are amongst the stupid and the arrogant.charltjr said:
The level of total idiocy on this thread beggars belief.
You’re worried about the impact of the covid pandemic on other conditions such as cancer? Yes, because other resources have had to be diverted to dealing with covid then more people will die of these conditions.
The fix for that is not more COVID.
If Covid is rampant in the community, then anybody with a pre-existing condition such as, ooooh I dunno, cancer is far more likely to die of it.
It’s an easy target for the thoughtless and the cruel to say things like morbidly obese diabetic people will die and that’s no loss to society “overall”. But who are they to make a value judgement on the worth of another human being’s life? What about the hundreds of thousands of people with other underlying conditions who do not fit that lazy, arrogant template?
A second wave was not inevitable. We are now where we are because of a combination of the stupid and the arrogant deciding that the guidelines do not apply to them.
What you're describing as "total idiocy" is probably better termed "a sense of balance". Resources have been diverted from things like cancer, true. "Had to be" is a stretch however. And whether they still have to be, and in the amount they were, is even more of a stretch.You’re worried about the impact of the covid pandemic on other conditions such as cancer? Yes, because other resources have had to be diverted to dealing with covid then more people will die of these conditions.
The fix for that is not more COVID.
If Covid is rampant in the community, then anybody with a pre-existing condition such as, ooooh I dunno, cancer is far more likely to die of it.
It’s an easy target for the thoughtless and the cruel to say things like morbidly obese diabetic people will die and that’s no loss to society “overall”. But who are they to make a value judgement on the worth of another human being’s life? What about the hundreds of thousands of people with other underlying conditions who do not fit that lazy, arrogant template?
A second wave was not inevitable. We are now where we are because of a combination of the stupid and the arrogant deciding that the guidelines do not apply to them.
You are falling into the trap of assuming that covid is worse than all of the collateral damage caused by lockdown. Many believe that is not the case, and in fact that the collateral is far worse. That doesn't make them idiots. Resorting to abuse rather than reasoned argument may make you one, however.
irocfan said:
Monkeylegend said:
whitesocks said:
Japan is a success story.
They never had a lockdown, and citizens were only told to wear masks. Yet, there number of cases has dropped dramatically.
They declared a state of emergency, the difference being they did not take punitive or legal measures to get people to act accordingly.They never had a lockdown, and citizens were only told to wear masks. Yet, there number of cases has dropped dramatically.
Masks clearly do work then
Phil. said:
If you want to really know what is going on with COVID and how the government scientists (vaccine sales people for big pharma) are ignoring the science then watch this factual evidence based explanation, and share it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UvFhIFzaac
Why do you think this guy knows what he's talking about?? Answer: because you want to believe the conclusions he draws. That's irrational.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UvFhIFzaac
And this bilge: "the government scientists (vaccine sales people for big pharma)" ... your "govt scientists" are actually UK university academic epidemiologists ... i.e. people who study the spread of diseases, not people trying to make new vaccines or selling stuff. Assuming they're bent is not just idiotic but also displays a degree of mindless cynicism that you should be ashamed of. If you were doing their job, would you set out to f
k over the rest of the population? No? Then why on earth would you assume that they would?Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff