Green light, unlit turn right arrow underneath.

[scottyp123]

Pothole said:

scottyp123 said:

There is a set of lights not too far from me that I've always thought are a bit stupid. Its a single set of lights with red/amber/green round lights as normal but with a green left turn arrow at the side.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.4303859,-2.35851...

What happens is the red light will be the only one lit and then all of a sudden whilst the red light is still lit the green left turn arrow suddenly comes on without an amber phase. Its a bit daft for a couple of reasons, one you are technically driving through a red and a green at the same time and also because there isn't a repeater set across the road you can't really see the green arrow when it comes if you are at the front so many a time the person first in the queue sits there whilst everyone further back is beeping furiously.

Sounds like there might be time for a swift pee, though!

A swift pee? there would be time for a full on hangover st if I was sat behind you at a green light.

[Swervin_Mervin]

scottyp123 said:

covboy said:

scottyp123 said:

There is a set of lights not too far from me that I've always thought are a bit stupid. Its a single set of lights with red/amber/green round lights as normal but with a green left turn arrow at the side.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.4303859,-2.35851...

What happens is the red light will be the only one lit and then all of a sudden whilst the red light is still lit the green left turn arrow suddenly comes on without an amber phase. Its a bit daft for a couple of reasons, one you are technically driving through a red and a green at the same time and also because there isn't a repeater set across the road you can't really see the green arrow when it comes if you are at the front so many a time the person first in the queue sits there whilst everyone further back is beeping furiously.

Is that photo the actual set or just for example. There is a repeater there after the crossing and if you can't see that you're too far in advance of the stopline

That's the actual set I'm on about, Its not that they are impossible to see, its just the nature of the road, the position of the lights seem to put the filter just out of natural view, hidden by the rear view mirror or sun visor etc. You can see the stop light though and everyone expects to see the red/amber combination before they set off which never comes.

That's a ledt turn filter. Perfectly standard arrangement. Should be able to see the secondary head no trouble. In fact, given the advanced cycle stopping there should be no trouble seeing the primary set either.

Trouble is many people are useless and left turn filters always have these issues

[NGee]

Swervin_Mervin said:

That's a ledt turn filter. Perfectly standard arrangement. Should be able to see the secondary head no trouble. In fact, given the advanced cycle stopping there should be no trouble seeing the primary set either.

Trouble is many people are useless and left turn filters always have these issues

Yep, spot on, why do some people have to complicate matters so much!!?

[covboy]

scottyp123 said:

That's the actual set I'm on about, Its not that they are impossible to see, its just the nature of the road, the position of the lights seem to put the filter just out of natural view, hidden by the rear view mirror or sun visor etc. You can see the stop light though and everyone expects to see the red/amber combination before they set off which never comes.

"Everyone " ? Really ?

[scottyp123]

NGee said:

Swervin_Mervin said:

That's a ledt turn filter. Perfectly standard arrangement. Should be able to see the secondary head no trouble. In fact, given the advanced cycle stopping there should be no trouble seeing the primary set either.

Trouble is many people are useless and left turn filters always have these issues

Yep, spot on, why do some people have to complicate matters so much!!?

I thought the sequenc was red-red/amber-green.

[TVR1]

scottyp123 said:

There is a set of lights not too far from me that I've always thought are a bit stupid. Its a single set of lights with red/amber/green round lights as normal but with a green left turn arrow at the side.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.4303859,-2.35851...

What happens is the red light will be the only one lit and then all of a sudden whilst the red light is still lit the green left turn arrow suddenly comes on without an amber phase. Its a bit daft for a couple of reasons, one you are technically driving through a red and a green at the same time and also because there isn't a repeater set across the road you can't really see the green arrow when it comes if you are at the front so many a time the person first in the queue sits there whilst everyone further back is beeping furiously.

This is exactly why theres a real problem with some drivers who just don't ‘get’ traffic signals oh and observation.

Lane 1 is a left turn lane.

Lane 2 is follow the road/turn right

Theres absolutely no way a competent driver should miss either a left turn lane (you know, the BIG arrow in the road and notice there’s a left turn arrow at the lights. 1 main 1 repeater.

To the idiot who thinks you're going through a red light to turn left, on a green arrow.....

You need some additional driver training.....

Seriously, you really do

Edited by TVR1 on Tuesday 3rd November 22:42

[Swervin_Mervin]

scottyp123 said:

NGee said:

Swervin_Mervin said:

That's a ledt turn filter. Perfectly standard arrangement. Should be able to see the secondary head no trouble. In fact, given the advanced cycle stopping there should be no trouble seeing the primary set either.

Trouble is many people are useless and left turn filters always have these issues

Yep, spot on, why do some people have to complicate matters so much!!?

I thought the sequenc was red-red/amber-green.

Not for a left filter no. It has always been thus. You've surely seen them before - there's plenty across S. Manchester alone. Gatley lights springs to mind.

[TVR1]

scottyp123 said:

I thought the sequenc was red-red/amber-green.

When did you buy your licence? This is really basic stuff?

[scottyp123]

TVR1 said:

scottyp123 said:

I thought the sequenc was red-red/amber-green.

When did you buy your licence? This is really basic stuff?

I'm not saying its wrong, I'm saying its odd, to get to a green light there should be a set sequence but in this and probably other instances a green just lights up on its own. Coupled with the fact its difficult to see at the front then I think it could be done a lot better.

[Swervin_Mervin]

scottyp123 said:

TVR1 said:

scottyp123 said:

I thought the sequenc was red-red/amber-green.

When did you buy your licence? This is really basic stuff?

I'm not saying its wrong, I'm saying its odd, to get to a green light there should be a set sequence but in this and probably other instances a green just lights up on its own. Coupled with the fact its difficult to see at the front then I think it could be done a lot better.

But it's not odd because it has always been that way for left turn filters. And you should be able to see a light that's 3-4m ahead of the stopline.

[matchmaker]

scottyp123 said:

TVR1 said:

scottyp123 said:

I thought the sequenc was red-red/amber-green.

When did you buy your licence? This is really basic stuff?

I'm not saying its wrong, I'm saying its odd, to get to a green light there should be a set sequence but in this and probably other instances a green just lights up on its own. Coupled with the fact its difficult to see at the front then I think it could be done a lot better.

Please surrender your driving licence. Knowing what a green filter at traffic lights means is a basic piece of knowledge!

[Pica-Pica]

matchmaker said:

scottyp123 said:

TVR1 said:

scottyp123 said:

I thought the sequenc was red-red/amber-green.

When did you buy your licence? This is really basic stuff?

I'm not saying its wrong, I'm saying its odd, to get to a green light there should be a set sequence but in this and probably other instances a green just lights up on its own. Coupled with the fact its difficult to see at the front then I think it could be done a lot better.

Please surrender your driving licence. Knowing what a green filter at traffic lights means is a basic piece of knowledge!

If the sequence went red/red-amber/green arrow, then those wanting to go ahead will start moving forward on red-amber. The purpose of the immediate green arrow after red is to avoid that, and to clear away the filtering traffic as soon as possible.
It really is basic Highway Code/traffic light knowledge.
That further re-in force s my belief in 5 year re-tests, theory and practice.

[Swervin_Mervin]

Pica-Pica said:

matchmaker said:

scottyp123 said:

TVR1 said:

scottyp123 said:

I thought the sequenc was red-red/amber-green.

When did you buy your licence? This is really basic stuff?

I'm not saying its wrong, I'm saying its odd, to get to a green light there should be a set sequence but in this and probably other instances a green just lights up on its own. Coupled with the fact its difficult to see at the front then I think it could be done a lot better.

Please surrender your driving licence. Knowing what a green filter at traffic lights means is a basic piece of knowledge!

If the sequence went red/red-amber/green arrow, then those wanting to go ahead will start moving forward on red-amber. The purpose of the immediate green arrow after red is to avoid that, and to clear away the filtering traffic as soon as possible.
It really is basic Highway Code/traffic light knowledge.
That further re-in force s my belief in 5 year re-tests, theory and practice.

Both left filters and right turn indiciative arrows are associated with a phase of the signals, thereby they cannot have a separate Red-Amber. To do so they would have to have their own phases. For the most part this means increased junction geometry to include physical separation of the traffic streams i.e. not just adjacent lanes sharing a stopline, but lanes separated usually by a kerbed island and with their own stoplines.

[scottyp123]

And yet at the other end of the road there is a separate set of lights on the right hand side for the right only turn. Why is there not just a right arrow tagged onto the lights?

Its a lot more obvious than the other set and no-one ever stays put when the lights are green.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.434077,-2.383961...

Edited by scottyp123 on Wednesday 4th November 18:40

[scottyp123]

matchmaker said:

scottyp123 said:

TVR1 said:

scottyp123 said:

I thought the sequenc was red-red/amber-green.

When did you buy your licence? This is really basic stuff?

I'm not saying its wrong, I'm saying its odd, to get to a green light there should be a set sequence but in this and probably other instances a green just lights up on its own. Coupled with the fact its difficult to see at the front then I think it could be done a lot better.

Please surrender your driving licence. Knowing what a green filter at traffic lights means is a basic piece of knowledge!

I lover all this internet hard man nonsense, no-one knows what the highway code says about anything, its a book that no-one has ever read since they passes their test. The last time I read it was in 1988, I wouldn't have a scooby doo what it says on page one hundred and whatever about some signage or other.

All anyone ever does is try to drive without crashing or getting caught speeding or parking, no-one has ever been interested in the slightest in a book of words no matter what it is.

[scottyp123]

Swervin_Mervin said:

But it's not odd because it has always been that way for left turn filters. And you should be able to see a light that's 3-4m ahead of the stopline.

A few people have said this so I'll change tact slightly. There is a set of traffic lights not too far from me that I go through probably a couple of times a week. I can't always see the green filter arrow if I'm at the font of the queue unless I move my head slightly to one side as either the sun visor or rear view mirror can be in the line of site.

In a totally unrelated point about 50% of the time that I'm slightly further back in the queue when I see the green filter arrow come on the car in front doesn't move and only goes when either myself or someone else gives them a friendly beep. Can any of the motoring geniuses in the forum give me any ideas why the front car doesn't move off so often as it doesn't seem to happen at any other set of lights I'm at. I'm absolutely flummoxed.

[Swervin_Mervin]

scottyp123 said:

And yet at the other end of the road there is a separate set of lights on the right hand side for the right only turn. Why is there not just a right arrow tagged onto the lights?

Its a lot more obvious than the other set and no-one ever stays put when the lights are green.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.434077,-2.383961...

Edited by scottyp123 on Wednesday 4th November 18:40

Because that's not an indicative arrow set - it's separately signalled on its own phase. This is neother difficult nor novel - these arrangments are country-wide and have been for decades.

The decision for either approach is usually based on a number of factors.

[Swervin_Mervin]

scottyp123 said:

Swervin_Mervin said:

But it's not odd because it has always been that way for left turn filters. And you should be able to see a light that's 3-4m ahead of the stopline.

A few people have said this so I'll change tact slightly. There is a set of traffic lights not too far from me that I go through probably a couple of times a week. I can't always see the green filter arrow if I'm at the font of the queue unless I move my head slightly to one side as either the sun visor or rear view mirror can be in the line of site.

In a totally unrelated point about 50% of the time that I'm slightly further back in the queue when I see the green filter arrow come on the car in front doesn't move and only goes when either myself or someone else gives them a friendly beep. Can any of the motoring geniuses in the forum give me any ideas why the front car doesn't move off so often as it doesn't seem to happen at any other set of lights I'm at. I'm absolutely flummoxed.

You're flummoxed? It doesn't take a genius to deduce that's likely down to the fact that many people driving on our roads don't pay enough attention. If you haven't noticed that maybe you're one of them?

[NGee]

scottyp123 said:

And yet at the other end of the road there is a separate set of lights on the right hand side for the right only turn. Why is there not just a right arrow tagged onto the lights?

Quite simple, if you do not have a separate set of lights then you can not prevent cars from turning right whilst allowing the main flow of traffic to carry straight on.

[scottyp123]

Swervin_Mervin said:

You're flummoxed? It doesn't take a genius to deduce that's likely down to the fact that many people driving on our roads don't pay enough attention. If you haven't noticed that maybe you're one of them?

Just at this set though? I can be behind someone for a few miles and they always manage to get through sets of lights both previous to this set and after without any dramas, maybe there is something in the air at this particular set that makes their mind wander, there is a sewage works down the road, maybe its that.