Issued COVID FPN by a police officer
Discussion
Drawweight said:
The thing I take from this is the OP said the place was crawling with police and he was stopped by a dedicated Covid task force.
How the hell can you excuse the police from not knowing the basic legislation when that legislation is exactly what they are enforcing.
To use an anology from further up the thread that’s like a task force being unleashed to check on whether vehicles are roadworthy without even bothering to take 2 minutes to read up on tyre tread depths.
Sloppy sloppy policing.
Exactly!How the hell can you excuse the police from not knowing the basic legislation when that legislation is exactly what they are enforcing.
To use an anology from further up the thread that’s like a task force being unleashed to check on whether vehicles are roadworthy without even bothering to take 2 minutes to read up on tyre tread depths.
Sloppy sloppy policing.
This situation has been going on for long enough now for officers to understand they are going to be scrutinised by ordinary people going about their lawful business. They should all be bang up to speed on what the law is and their supervision should be ensuring they know to prevent bad media publicity and loss of public support.
I cringe when I see senior officers defending the front lines because of the new legislation which rapidly changes. It's tough, I did it for 30 years, but it can be done well.
Graveworm said:
Lonely said:
Graveworm said:
Lonely said:
Graveworm said:
Pegscratch said:
The legislation doesn't say that two people from separate households cannot be in the same car. As long as the purpose for their travel is lawful, their travel is inherently lawful of course accepting the necessary laws that must be obeyed whilst doing that travelling.
Are you saying that 2 people from different households can travel to exercise together in the same car (Assuming we idgnore bubble rules etc.) Because that seems to fall foul of the gathering definition and there is no exception there for reasonable excuse or travelling to exercise only the actual exercise in an outdoor space. Edited by Graveworm on Thursday 25th February 16:03
Go here - https://www.gov.uk/guidance/national-lockdown-stay... - in the travel section click guidance on car sharing, then click on the exempt reasons and you'll find exercising.
"You can exercise in a public outdoor place" .. or, when on your own, with 1 person from another household."
That is pretty much what the law says.
Unlike work, study, healthcare etc where there is no restriction on where it can be so in a car is fine.
Lonely said:
If you click on the exempt reasons hyperlink and scroll down you'll find exercising in the list.
I did scroll down and posted what it says. It's a link to all the exemptions for all purposes, not just car sharing and under every instance it explains clearly under "Exercising" what that entails and it doesn't include car sharing, it clearly says it is only allowed whilst exercising in outdoor spaces. Same as the legislation.So work, study etc are all fine as they can take place in a car and are not limited to public outdoor spaces.
Graveworm said:
Lonely said:
If you click on the exempt reasons hyperlink and scroll down you'll find exercising in the list.
I did scroll down and posted what it says. It's a link to all the exemptions for all purposes, not just car sharing and under every instance it explains clearly under "Exercising" what that entails and it doesn't include car sharing, it clearly says it is only allowed whilst exercising in outdoor spaces. Same as the legislation.So work, study etc are all fine as they can take place in a car and are not limited to public outdoor spaces.
Lonely said:
Car sharing is not permitted with someone from outside your household or your support bubble unless your journey is undertaken for an exempt reason. Exercise is an exempt reason. Why would you expect any mention of car sharing to come under a heading of exercise? Why would the guidance hyperlinks lead you through to it if it wasn't allowed? Where does it say it's NOT allowed?
Exercise is not an exempt reason under the legislation or the guidance for being with someone outside your "Bubble". Exercise OUTSIDE is an exemption when alone or with someone from your household bubble etc, exercise in a PUBLIC OUTDOOR SPACE is an exemption when alone with one person from another household. That is not the same as exercise is an exemption. When in a car you are not in a public outdoor space and you are not exercising. It is not allowed as it falls under the definition of a gathering within the legislation and is not listed as one of the exemptions to a gathering. Unlike the reasonable excuses for being away from home the exemptions for this are finite and if it isn't on the list it isn't an exemption.
Graveworm said:
Lonely said:
Car sharing is not permitted with someone from outside your household or your support bubble unless your journey is undertaken for an exempt reason. Exercise is an exempt reason. Why would you expect any mention of car sharing to come under a heading of exercise? Why would the guidance hyperlinks lead you through to it if it wasn't allowed? Where does it say it's NOT allowed?
Exercise is not an exempt reason under the legislation or the guidance for being with someone outside your "Bubble". Exercise OUTSIDE is an exemption when alone or with someone from your household bubble etc, exercise in a PUBLIC OUTDOOR SPACE is an exemption when alone with one person from another household. That is not the same as exercise is an exemption. When in a car you are not in a public outdoor space and you are not exercising. It is not allowed as it falls under the definition of a gathering within the legislation and is not listed as one of the exemptions to a gathering. Unlike the reasonable excuses for being away from home the exemptions for this are finite and if it isn't on the list it isn't an exemption.
Roger Irrelevant said:
Hugo Stiglitz said:
There's so much legislation to know and it changes. You can't know everything and understand the points to prove. It's a nightmare. Just when a response officer 'knows' his/her legislation they move on/upwards or into a specialist role.
Think about it- would you know everything from traffic, offences against the man, drugs offences, various other PACE, common law AND Covid?
The officer isn't thick. Would you know it? Yes it's best to know covid legislation but when you might come across it once in a month and you have case files, everything else to manage wheres the time?
This is something that I really respect the police for actually. I am a lawyer but even I don't know every detail of the law as it relates to just my specialist area of practice, at least off the top of my head. For the police to know all the law relating to every offence that they might come across in a day's work...completely impossible. That being said, when it comes to interfering with somebody's liberty to the extent that you're booking them for undertaking an activity as mundane as going for a walk with a friend, I think it's fair to expect the police to be very sure of what they're doing. Think about it- would you know everything from traffic, offences against the man, drugs offences, various other PACE, common law AND Covid?
The officer isn't thick. Would you know it? Yes it's best to know covid legislation but when you might come across it once in a month and you have case files, everything else to manage wheres the time?
MiseryStreak said:
This will all be over soon. When people ask that police officer what they did during the ‘years that shall not be named’, they’ll have to say they were part of a Covid task force. I don’t envy them. What a s
tty job.
Not really: all they need to do is their job, which is to enforce the law as laid down by legislation. Not enforce guidelines, which aren’t law, and isn’t their job. tty job.Have we established the full circumstances of why the OP was issued a ticket?
I thought they'd left some of the details a little....... ambiguous 🤔
To address some other points in this thread.
Covid isn't a priority for individual Police Officers. Most would very reluctantly give a ticket, usually to someone who has failed the attitude test. And most are withdrawn anyway.
I haven't issued a single one.
To the retired officer saying "they managed", this is an unprecedented situation. How many times have the rules changed in the last year? 2 or 3 times??
FYI - there have been 130 changes in the Coronavirus Act.
To say that an Officer is "thick" because they are mistaken on one of the 102 Sections of the Coronavirus Act 2020 & the 79 Sections of the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984 shows a bit of ignorance. Saying that they should have some knowledge of the common breaches they're likely to face, also shows ignorance. Which breaches are most common breaches?? 🤔
Saying that crime must be "through the floor" 😂
Come volunteer. There has been very little change at all.
If anything, because of Officers shielding, isolating or recovering from Covid, it's actually been more challenging. The Police are already short of Officers........and Covid has just exasperated the situation.
I thought they'd left some of the details a little....... ambiguous 🤔
To address some other points in this thread.
Covid isn't a priority for individual Police Officers. Most would very reluctantly give a ticket, usually to someone who has failed the attitude test. And most are withdrawn anyway.
I haven't issued a single one.
To the retired officer saying "they managed", this is an unprecedented situation. How many times have the rules changed in the last year? 2 or 3 times??
FYI - there have been 130 changes in the Coronavirus Act.
To say that an Officer is "thick" because they are mistaken on one of the 102 Sections of the Coronavirus Act 2020 & the 79 Sections of the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984 shows a bit of ignorance. Saying that they should have some knowledge of the common breaches they're likely to face, also shows ignorance. Which breaches are most common breaches?? 🤔
Saying that crime must be "through the floor" 😂
Come volunteer. There has been very little change at all.
If anything, because of Officers shielding, isolating or recovering from Covid, it's actually been more challenging. The Police are already short of Officers........and Covid has just exasperated the situation.
- Remember- there are no "extra Officers", they're the same Officers on overtime/cancelled rest days/ shift changes**
Nibbles_bits said:
Have we established the full circumstances of why the OP was issued a ticket?
I thought they'd left some of the details a little....... ambiguous ??
To address some other points in this thread.
Covid isn't a priority for individual Police Officers. Most would very reluctantly give a ticket, usually to someone who has failed the attitude test. And most are withdrawn anyway.
I haven't issued a single one.
To the retired officer saying "they managed", this is an unprecedented situation. How many times have the rules changed in the last year? 2 or 3 times??
FYI - there have been 130 changes in the Coronavirus Act.
To say that an Officer is "thick" because they are mistaken on one of the 102 Sections of the Coronavirus Act 2020 & the 79 Sections of the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984 shows a bit of ignorance. Saying that they should have some knowledge of the common breaches they're likely to face, also shows ignorance. Which breaches are most common breaches?? ??
Saying that crime must be "through the floor" ??
Come volunteer. There has been very little change at all.
If anything, because of Officers shielding, isolating or recovering from Covid, it's actually been more challenging. The Police are already short of Officers........and Covid has just exasperated the situation.
Yep.I thought they'd left some of the details a little....... ambiguous ??
To address some other points in this thread.
Covid isn't a priority for individual Police Officers. Most would very reluctantly give a ticket, usually to someone who has failed the attitude test. And most are withdrawn anyway.
I haven't issued a single one.
To the retired officer saying "they managed", this is an unprecedented situation. How many times have the rules changed in the last year? 2 or 3 times??
FYI - there have been 130 changes in the Coronavirus Act.
To say that an Officer is "thick" because they are mistaken on one of the 102 Sections of the Coronavirus Act 2020 & the 79 Sections of the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984 shows a bit of ignorance. Saying that they should have some knowledge of the common breaches they're likely to face, also shows ignorance. Which breaches are most common breaches?? ??
Saying that crime must be "through the floor" ??
Come volunteer. There has been very little change at all.
If anything, because of Officers shielding, isolating or recovering from Covid, it's actually been more challenging. The Police are already short of Officers........and Covid has just exasperated the situation.
- Remember- there are no "extra Officers", they're the same Officers on overtime/cancelled rest days/ shift changes**
Nibbles_bits said:
Have we established the full circumstances of why the OP was issued a ticket?
I thought they'd left some of the details a little....... ambiguous ??
To address some other points in this thread.
Covid isn't a priority for individual Police Officers. Most would very reluctantly give a ticket, usually to someone who has failed the attitude test. And most are withdrawn anyway.
I haven't issued a single one.
To the retired officer saying "they managed", this is an unprecedented situation. How many times have the rules changed in the last year? 2 or 3 times??
FYI - there have been 130 changes in the Coronavirus Act.
To say that an Officer is "thick" because they are mistaken on one of the 102 Sections of the Coronavirus Act 2020 & the 79 Sections of the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984 shows a bit of ignorance. Saying that they should have some knowledge of the common breaches they're likely to face, also shows ignorance. Which breaches are most common breaches?? ??
Saying that crime must be "through the floor" ??
Come volunteer. There has been very little change at all.
If anything, because of Officers shielding, isolating or recovering from Covid, it's actually been more challenging. The Police are already short of Officers........and Covid has just exasperated the situation.
Aaah, the good old attitude test, somebody doesnt agree with you - prosecute them.I thought they'd left some of the details a little....... ambiguous ??
To address some other points in this thread.
Covid isn't a priority for individual Police Officers. Most would very reluctantly give a ticket, usually to someone who has failed the attitude test. And most are withdrawn anyway.
I haven't issued a single one.
To the retired officer saying "they managed", this is an unprecedented situation. How many times have the rules changed in the last year? 2 or 3 times??
FYI - there have been 130 changes in the Coronavirus Act.
To say that an Officer is "thick" because they are mistaken on one of the 102 Sections of the Coronavirus Act 2020 & the 79 Sections of the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984 shows a bit of ignorance. Saying that they should have some knowledge of the common breaches they're likely to face, also shows ignorance. Which breaches are most common breaches?? ??
Saying that crime must be "through the floor" ??
Come volunteer. There has been very little change at all.
If anything, because of Officers shielding, isolating or recovering from Covid, it's actually been more challenging. The Police are already short of Officers........and Covid has just exasperated the situation.
- Remember- there are no "extra Officers", they're the same Officers on overtime/cancelled rest days/ shift changes**
Why are most withdrawn? Incorrectly issued i'd suggest.
Regardless of the changes, its up to forces to ensure their officers are kept up to speed with those changes
Bigends said:
Nibbles_bits said:
Have we established the full circumstances of why the OP was issued a ticket?
I thought they'd left some of the details a little....... ambiguous ??
To address some other points in this thread.
Covid isn't a priority for individual Police Officers. Most would very reluctantly give a ticket, usually to someone who has failed the attitude test. And most are withdrawn anyway.
I haven't issued a single one.
To the retired officer saying "they managed", this is an unprecedented situation. How many times have the rules changed in the last year? 2 or 3 times??
FYI - there have been 130 changes in the Coronavirus Act.
To say that an Officer is "thick" because they are mistaken on one of the 102 Sections of the Coronavirus Act 2020 & the 79 Sections of the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984 shows a bit of ignorance. Saying that they should have some knowledge of the common breaches they're likely to face, also shows ignorance. Which breaches are most common breaches?? ??
Saying that crime must be "through the floor" ??
Come volunteer. There has been very little change at all.
If anything, because of Officers shielding, isolating or recovering from Covid, it's actually been more challenging. The Police are already short of Officers........and Covid has just exasperated the situation.
Aaah, the good old attitude test, somebody doesnt agree with you - prosecute them.I thought they'd left some of the details a little....... ambiguous ??
To address some other points in this thread.
Covid isn't a priority for individual Police Officers. Most would very reluctantly give a ticket, usually to someone who has failed the attitude test. And most are withdrawn anyway.
I haven't issued a single one.
To the retired officer saying "they managed", this is an unprecedented situation. How many times have the rules changed in the last year? 2 or 3 times??
FYI - there have been 130 changes in the Coronavirus Act.
To say that an Officer is "thick" because they are mistaken on one of the 102 Sections of the Coronavirus Act 2020 & the 79 Sections of the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984 shows a bit of ignorance. Saying that they should have some knowledge of the common breaches they're likely to face, also shows ignorance. Which breaches are most common breaches?? ??
Saying that crime must be "through the floor" ??
Come volunteer. There has been very little change at all.
If anything, because of Officers shielding, isolating or recovering from Covid, it's actually been more challenging. The Police are already short of Officers........and Covid has just exasperated the situation.
- Remember- there are no "extra Officers", they're the same Officers on overtime/cancelled rest days/ shift changes**
Why are most withdrawn? Incorrectly issued i'd suggest.
Regardless of the changes, its up to forces to ensure their officers are kept up to speed with those changes
Greendubber said:
Bigends said:
Nibbles_bits said:
Have we established the full circumstances of why the OP was issued a ticket?
I thought they'd left some of the details a little....... ambiguous ??
To address some other points in this thread.
Covid isn't a priority for individual Police Officers. Most would very reluctantly give a ticket, usually to someone who has failed the attitude test. And most are withdrawn anyway.
I haven't issued a single one.
To the retired officer saying "they managed", this is an unprecedented situation. How many times have the rules changed in the last year? 2 or 3 times??
FYI - there have been 130 changes in the Coronavirus Act.
To say that an Officer is "thick" because they are mistaken on one of the 102 Sections of the Coronavirus Act 2020 & the 79 Sections of the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984 shows a bit of ignorance. Saying that they should have some knowledge of the common breaches they're likely to face, also shows ignorance. Which breaches are most common breaches?? ??
Saying that crime must be "through the floor" ??
Come volunteer. There has been very little change at all.
If anything, because of Officers shielding, isolating or recovering from Covid, it's actually been more challenging. The Police are already short of Officers........and Covid has just exasperated the situation.
Aaah, the good old attitude test, somebody doesnt agree with you - prosecute them.I thought they'd left some of the details a little....... ambiguous ??
To address some other points in this thread.
Covid isn't a priority for individual Police Officers. Most would very reluctantly give a ticket, usually to someone who has failed the attitude test. And most are withdrawn anyway.
I haven't issued a single one.
To the retired officer saying "they managed", this is an unprecedented situation. How many times have the rules changed in the last year? 2 or 3 times??
FYI - there have been 130 changes in the Coronavirus Act.
To say that an Officer is "thick" because they are mistaken on one of the 102 Sections of the Coronavirus Act 2020 & the 79 Sections of the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984 shows a bit of ignorance. Saying that they should have some knowledge of the common breaches they're likely to face, also shows ignorance. Which breaches are most common breaches?? ??
Saying that crime must be "through the floor" ??
Come volunteer. There has been very little change at all.
If anything, because of Officers shielding, isolating or recovering from Covid, it's actually been more challenging. The Police are already short of Officers........and Covid has just exasperated the situation.
- Remember- there are no "extra Officers", they're the same Officers on overtime/cancelled rest days/ shift changes**
Why are most withdrawn? Incorrectly issued i'd suggest.
Regardless of the changes, its up to forces to ensure their officers are kept up to speed with those changes
Bigends said:
Greendubber said:
Bigends said:
Nibbles_bits said:
Have we established the full circumstances of why the OP was issued a ticket?
I thought they'd left some of the details a little....... ambiguous ??
To address some other points in this thread.
Covid isn't a priority for individual Police Officers. Most would very reluctantly give a ticket, usually to someone who has failed the attitude test. And most are withdrawn anyway.
I haven't issued a single one.
To the retired officer saying "they managed", this is an unprecedented situation. How many times have the rules changed in the last year? 2 or 3 times??
FYI - there have been 130 changes in the Coronavirus Act.
To say that an Officer is "thick" because they are mistaken on one of the 102 Sections of the Coronavirus Act 2020 & the 79 Sections of the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984 shows a bit of ignorance. Saying that they should have some knowledge of the common breaches they're likely to face, also shows ignorance. Which breaches are most common breaches?? ??
Saying that crime must be "through the floor" ??
Come volunteer. There has been very little change at all.
If anything, because of Officers shielding, isolating or recovering from Covid, it's actually been more challenging. The Police are already short of Officers........and Covid has just exasperated the situation.
Aaah, the good old attitude test, somebody doesnt agree with you - prosecute them.I thought they'd left some of the details a little....... ambiguous ??
To address some other points in this thread.
Covid isn't a priority for individual Police Officers. Most would very reluctantly give a ticket, usually to someone who has failed the attitude test. And most are withdrawn anyway.
I haven't issued a single one.
To the retired officer saying "they managed", this is an unprecedented situation. How many times have the rules changed in the last year? 2 or 3 times??
FYI - there have been 130 changes in the Coronavirus Act.
To say that an Officer is "thick" because they are mistaken on one of the 102 Sections of the Coronavirus Act 2020 & the 79 Sections of the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984 shows a bit of ignorance. Saying that they should have some knowledge of the common breaches they're likely to face, also shows ignorance. Which breaches are most common breaches?? ??
Saying that crime must be "through the floor" ??
Come volunteer. There has been very little change at all.
If anything, because of Officers shielding, isolating or recovering from Covid, it's actually been more challenging. The Police are already short of Officers........and Covid has just exasperated the situation.
- Remember- there are no "extra Officers", they're the same Officers on overtime/cancelled rest days/ shift changes**
Why are most withdrawn? Incorrectly issued i'd suggest.
Regardless of the changes, its up to forces to ensure their officers are kept up to speed with those changes
I'm not sure why you would need NCALT permanently open though.....
Greendubber said:
Bigends said:
Greendubber said:
Bigends said:
Nibbles_bits said:
Have we established the full circumstances of why the OP was issued a ticket?
I thought they'd left some of the details a little....... ambiguous ??
To address some other points in this thread.
Covid isn't a priority for individual Police Officers. Most would very reluctantly give a ticket, usually to someone who has failed the attitude test. And most are withdrawn anyway.
I haven't issued a single one.
To the retired officer saying "they managed", this is an unprecedented situation. How many times have the rules changed in the last year? 2 or 3 times??
FYI - there have been 130 changes in the Coronavirus Act.
To say that an Officer is "thick" because they are mistaken on one of the 102 Sections of the Coronavirus Act 2020 & the 79 Sections of the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984 shows a bit of ignorance. Saying that they should have some knowledge of the common breaches they're likely to face, also shows ignorance. Which breaches are most common breaches?? ??
Saying that crime must be "through the floor" ??
Come volunteer. There has been very little change at all.
If anything, because of Officers shielding, isolating or recovering from Covid, it's actually been more challenging. The Police are already short of Officers........and Covid has just exasperated the situation.
Aaah, the good old attitude test, somebody doesnt agree with you - prosecute them.I thought they'd left some of the details a little....... ambiguous ??
To address some other points in this thread.
Covid isn't a priority for individual Police Officers. Most would very reluctantly give a ticket, usually to someone who has failed the attitude test. And most are withdrawn anyway.
I haven't issued a single one.
To the retired officer saying "they managed", this is an unprecedented situation. How many times have the rules changed in the last year? 2 or 3 times??
FYI - there have been 130 changes in the Coronavirus Act.
To say that an Officer is "thick" because they are mistaken on one of the 102 Sections of the Coronavirus Act 2020 & the 79 Sections of the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984 shows a bit of ignorance. Saying that they should have some knowledge of the common breaches they're likely to face, also shows ignorance. Which breaches are most common breaches?? ??
Saying that crime must be "through the floor" ??
Come volunteer. There has been very little change at all.
If anything, because of Officers shielding, isolating or recovering from Covid, it's actually been more challenging. The Police are already short of Officers........and Covid has just exasperated the situation.
- Remember- there are no "extra Officers", they're the same Officers on overtime/cancelled rest days/ shift changes**
Why are most withdrawn? Incorrectly issued i'd suggest.
Regardless of the changes, its up to forces to ensure their officers are kept up to speed with those changes
These types of stories haven't exactly been in short supply over the past year. From threatening to search shopping bags for "non-essentials", to launching drones to spy on walkers, to setting up road blocks, to ticketing coffee drinkers.
The list goes on and on and all seem to result in backtracking without apologising. The common denominator is poor policing and the public are the ones on the receiving end.
It's disappointing that so many police resources are used in this way.
The list goes on and on and all seem to result in backtracking without apologising. The common denominator is poor policing and the public are the ones on the receiving end.
It's disappointing that so many police resources are used in this way.
Bigends said:
Greendubber said:
Bigends said:
Greendubber said:
Bigends said:
Nibbles_bits said:
Have we established the full circumstances of why the OP was issued a ticket?
I thought they'd left some of the details a little....... ambiguous ??
To address some other points in this thread.
Covid isn't a priority for individual Police Officers. Most would very reluctantly give a ticket, usually to someone who has failed the attitude test. And most are withdrawn anyway.
I haven't issued a single one.
To the retired officer saying "they managed", this is an unprecedented situation. How many times have the rules changed in the last year? 2 or 3 times??
FYI - there have been 130 changes in the Coronavirus Act.
To say that an Officer is "thick" because they are mistaken on one of the 102 Sections of the Coronavirus Act 2020 & the 79 Sections of the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984 shows a bit of ignorance. Saying that they should have some knowledge of the common breaches they're likely to face, also shows ignorance. Which breaches are most common breaches?? ??
Saying that crime must be "through the floor" ??
Come volunteer. There has been very little change at all.
If anything, because of Officers shielding, isolating or recovering from Covid, it's actually been more challenging. The Police are already short of Officers........and Covid has just exasperated the situation.
Aaah, the good old attitude test, somebody doesnt agree with you - prosecute them.I thought they'd left some of the details a little....... ambiguous ??
To address some other points in this thread.
Covid isn't a priority for individual Police Officers. Most would very reluctantly give a ticket, usually to someone who has failed the attitude test. And most are withdrawn anyway.
I haven't issued a single one.
To the retired officer saying "they managed", this is an unprecedented situation. How many times have the rules changed in the last year? 2 or 3 times??
FYI - there have been 130 changes in the Coronavirus Act.
To say that an Officer is "thick" because they are mistaken on one of the 102 Sections of the Coronavirus Act 2020 & the 79 Sections of the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984 shows a bit of ignorance. Saying that they should have some knowledge of the common breaches they're likely to face, also shows ignorance. Which breaches are most common breaches?? ??
Saying that crime must be "through the floor" ??
Come volunteer. There has been very little change at all.
If anything, because of Officers shielding, isolating or recovering from Covid, it's actually been more challenging. The Police are already short of Officers........and Covid has just exasperated the situation.
- Remember- there are no "extra Officers", they're the same Officers on overtime/cancelled rest days/ shift changes**
Why are most withdrawn? Incorrectly issued i'd suggest.
Regardless of the changes, its up to forces to ensure their officers are kept up to speed with those changes
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