Jailed for pushing a cyclist under a car
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NikBartlett said:
jm doc said:
She had cerebral palsy and was partially blind. But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your abilty to judge people. Outstanding. 
The medical conditions she has are irrelevant here, her actions killed the cyclist and she got what she deserved.I love these threads in a way. There's been evidence gathered, a full trial, with fully briefed lawyers making arguments for the prosecution and defence, consideration by the jury, and a sentence has been passed down as a result. Yet after reading a short article and a couple of minutes on streetview the amateur Columbos start saying 'Ha! I have spotted something that CHANGES EVERYTHING'.
You will always get conflict when pedestrians and cyclists have to share a path that is not clearly defined as shared. The council found no records to indicate that it was a shared footpath, and the judge calling it a "shared cycleway" in the broad sense doesn't change that fact. A pavement like that on a busy ring road with no barriers should not permit cyclists at all. There should have been signage telling cyclists to dismount.
Roger Irrelevant said:
Plus for all that jm doc is bigging up the 'partially blind' thing, she seemed to have no trouble spotting the cyclist coming from quite a decent distance.
I love these threads in a way. There's been evidence gathered, a full trial, with fully briefed lawyers making arguments for the prosecution and defence, consideration by the jury, and a sentence has been passed down as a result. Yet after reading a short article and a couple of minutes on streetview the amateur Columbos start saying 'Ha! I have spotted something that CHANGES EVERYTHING'.
A similar thing happened when Nicola Bulley went missing by the river. Tik tokkers acting like they think they're Poirot. One woman on FB apparently drove 80 miles from Carlisle with her kids to check out Nicola's bench. FFS. I love these threads in a way. There's been evidence gathered, a full trial, with fully briefed lawyers making arguments for the prosecution and defence, consideration by the jury, and a sentence has been passed down as a result. Yet after reading a short article and a couple of minutes on streetview the amateur Columbos start saying 'Ha! I have spotted something that CHANGES EVERYTHING'.
I wonder if the OP would take a similar view were it a cyclist convicted for doing something stupid which led to a fatal car crash.
In terms of the hierarchy and presumption of responsibility, this just illustrates that it works the way that people who have a problem with that concept don't seem to understand - it's a presumption, it doesn't mean that on analysis of the facts the more vulnerable user will not be found at fault if they have behaved badly.
In terms of the hierarchy and presumption of responsibility, this just illustrates that it works the way that people who have a problem with that concept don't seem to understand - it's a presumption, it doesn't mean that on analysis of the facts the more vulnerable user will not be found at fault if they have behaved badly.
Type R Tom said:
Never cease to amaze me how much coverage any conflict between cyclists and peds get. Cars regularly mount footways and kill / injury peds, and no one bats an eyelid.
Seems almost like another culture war.
Probably because there is a good number of cyclists that go full Jeremy Vine and become the most unpleasant, obnoxious, provocative tSeems almost like another culture war.
ts in society, and actively seek out conflict. RumbleOfThunder said:
Type R Tom said:
Never cease to amaze me how much coverage any conflict between cyclists and peds get. Cars regularly mount footways and kill / injury peds, and no one bats an eyelid.
Seems almost like another culture war.
Probably because there is a good number of cyclists that go full Jeremy Vine and become the most unpleasant, obnoxious, provocative tSeems almost like another culture war.
ts in society, and actively seek out conflict. otolith said:
RumbleOfThunder said:
Probably because there is a good number of cyclists that go full Jeremy Vine and become the most unpleasant, obnoxious, provocative tts in society, and actively seek out conflict.
Who was being provocative and seeking out conflict in this situation then?ts in society, and actively seek out conflict. Type R Tom said:
RumbleOfThunder said:
Type R Tom said:
Never cease to amaze me how much coverage any conflict between cyclists and peds get. Cars regularly mount footways and kill / injury peds, and no one bats an eyelid.
Seems almost like another culture war.
Probably because there is a good number of cyclists that go full Jeremy Vine and become the most unpleasant, obnoxious, provocative tSeems almost like another culture war.
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