Newsnight tonight BRAKE & Monbiot v Captain Gatso..?
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Boosted LS1 said:
Isn't pitsmansboots steve callaghan? So he's part of the industry anyway.
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Just watched it. Why did Monbiot interrupt every time Claire Armstrong spoke? Is it a male over female thing, or just an ingrained leftie hating free speech as usual?
I also noticed that Clare Brixey said that speed was one of the major contributory factors in road deaths, and that the only way to reduce deaths was to reduce speed.
The *only* way to reduce deaths is to reduce speed?
It looked like Monbiot was trying to say that a camera would have prevented that death but the piece ended before he was able to finish that statement.
I also noticed that Clare Brixey said that speed was one of the major contributory factors in road deaths, and that the only way to reduce deaths was to reduce speed.
The *only* way to reduce deaths is to reduce speed?
It looked like Monbiot was trying to say that a camera would have prevented that death but the piece ended before he was able to finish that statement.
heebeegeetee said:
I also noticed that Clare Brixey said that speed was one of the major contributory factors in road deaths, and that the only way to reduce deaths was to reduce speed.
The ONLY way a camera could have prevented this accident would have been IF the driver was compliant enough to slow down in front of a camera, placed at the point at which he lost control.Anywhere else, and the best that could have resulted would have been a glossy 10 x 8 photograph showing this unfortunate mothers son's last moments, apparently enjoying himself shortly before he died!
In fact, even a police officer would probably have been faced with a driver who would have run to try and evade being caught given that he was under the influence of both drink and drugs.
However, if police numbers had not been reduced over the past few years by increasing numbers of speed cameras, then the driver might have thought more about being foolish enough to drive while impaired, or at those speeds. It is fear of being CAUGHT which gives non compliant drivers an extra reason to be cautious - yet very few expect to get caught by a speed camera which they merely slow down for!
The driver was clearly a law breaker BIG TIME and a danger to not just himself, but everybody else on the road or in the swimming pool!
All I can say is thank heavens nobody else got in the way, shame his passenger was not minded to dissuade him from his reckless actions, and at least we are spared his actions on the road until he gets out of jail.
Mill Wheel said:
heebeegeetee said:
I also noticed that Clare Brixey said that speed was one of the major contributory factors in road deaths, and that the only way to reduce deaths was to reduce speed.
The ONLY way a camera could have prevented this accident would have been IF the driver was compliant enough to slow down in front of a camera, placed at the point at which he lost control.I feel very sorry for Mrs Brixey, and she rightly says that her son was killed by an irresponsible driver. But wasn't her son irresponsible to allow himself to be driven by a drunk driver, and if he was drunk himself, did that make him an irresponsible passenger?
heebeegeetee said:
Mill Wheel said:
heebeegeetee said:
I also noticed that Clare Brixey said that speed was one of the major contributory factors in road deaths, and that the only way to reduce deaths was to reduce speed.
The ONLY way a camera could have prevented this accident would have been IF the driver was compliant enough to slow down in front of a camera, placed at the point at which he lost control.I feel very sorry for Mrs Brixey, and she rightly says that her son was killed by an irresponsible driver. But wasn't her son irresponsible to allow himself to be driven by a drunk driver, and if he was drunk himself, did that make him an irresponsible passenger?
She is campaigning for better road safety, not better behaviour of offspring.
She is either misguided, or misinformed by BRAKE if she swallows the pro camera propaganda!
The woman in Swindon was of the same mind - thought a speed camera would be better than the road being re-engineered!
Thank you all for the supporting comments, that is appreciated. I wish I had done better at the beginning.
It was a shame not to be able to get more points across - there are so many too !
It was Laura Kuenfsburg's second show and she was guided by the production team and director. She will have got little independent input.
I guess complaining to the BBC would be the only way to voice your views.
BRAKE have always refused to go on air with Safe Speed, so far ...
I was on with one of their supporters on a radio show once, and she agreed that cameras would not have helped as the driver that killed her son was drunk.
It seemed strange that a member of the public is calling for police patrols and the head of ACPO wasn't ! They are not recognising the rift that cameras have caused between them and the public, obviously.
It was a shame not to be able to get more points across - there are so many too !
It was Laura Kuenfsburg's second show and she was guided by the production team and director. She will have got little independent input.
I guess complaining to the BBC would be the only way to voice your views.
BRAKE have always refused to go on air with Safe Speed, so far ...
I was on with one of their supporters on a radio show once, and she agreed that cameras would not have helped as the driver that killed her son was drunk.
It seemed strange that a member of the public is calling for police patrols and the head of ACPO wasn't ! They are not recognising the rift that cameras have caused between them and the public, obviously.
Edited by SafeSpeedv2 on Tuesday 24th August 11:12
My take on the Newsnight discussion (it's a bit heavy, but I hope it is worth the read):
http://www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?p=...
Also, here is my 'message to George Monbiot' (and I've left him a message on his site pointing to the post):
http://www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?p=...
http://www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?p=...
Also, here is my 'message to George Monbiot' (and I've left him a message on his site pointing to the post):
http://www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?p=...
Johnnytheboy said:
SafeSpeedv2 said:
It seemed strange that a member of the public is calling for police patrols and the head of ACPO wasn't !
That's a very good point. What planet are they on?more Trafpol patrols would be worht the effort on those grounds alone!
SafeSpeedv2 said:
Thank you all for the supporting comments, that is appreciated. I wish I had done better at the beginning.
It was a shame not to be able to get more points across - there are so many too !
Good on you, Claire....It was a shame not to be able to get more points across - there are so many too !
One to bear in mind for the future. Remember a few years ago when we had the best recorded casualty reduction rate for a twelve month period?
Camera-free North Yorkshire(?) had one of the best rates of improvement.
Camera-infested North Wales had one of the worst rates of improvement.
Thank you. 
For the thirteen years prior to 94 we had a drop of (approx) 60% now we have a drop of 40% to 2009. Not that impressive. You'd think that the Police would want to do all that they can to better their performance, and especially when we consider that they generally work on the motto, Protect and Serve.
For them to not understand the difference between free travelling speed and impact speed.
Even encouraging motorists to mange risk and judge well seems to be put aside by CC M.G. Lets hope he starts to re-consider as Wales reconsiders cameras too.
The Cardiff mayor was all for Safe Speed when I last met him at a conference last year.
For the thirteen years prior to 94 we had a drop of (approx) 60% now we have a drop of 40% to 2009. Not that impressive. You'd think that the Police would want to do all that they can to better their performance, and especially when we consider that they generally work on the motto, Protect and Serve.
For them to not understand the difference between free travelling speed and impact speed.
Even encouraging motorists to mange risk and judge well seems to be put aside by CC M.G. Lets hope he starts to re-consider as Wales reconsiders cameras too.
The Cardiff mayor was all for Safe Speed when I last met him at a conference last year.
Having had a few days to calm down now, allow me a few rational words about George Monbiot.
It goes without saying that he's a hard-left dinosaur, with either a huge chip on his shoulder, or an eye on the amount of money he can make out of it. Socialism and environmentalism are his tools. He is contender for the title Supreme Drivelmeister in these fields.
Knocking cars and drivers sits well with him, as he sees both as anti social and environmentally unsound. As far as I know, this is the first time he's sounded off in this direction, so there's scope for more aggression I would think.
I've never read his books. I'm a bit of a masochist, but that would be a step too far in self abuse. What I have seen are his newspaper and blogging rants, which pain me but, at the same time, provide endless amusement. Maybe I need to see a doctor.
His television and radio appearances are another thing, doing untold harm to my blood pressure and general well-being. To say that I oft have the urge to pull his head off and feed it to the ants is understating the case somewhat.
He is an intellectual snob and wants you to acknowledge his (perceived) superior intellect. He is clueless about road safety, but he clearly puts a lot of effort into researching his environmental stuff. He appears relentlessly driven to find an error in his opponent, then milk it for all its worth. Witness his discovery that Prof David Bellamy had hit the wrong key on his keyboard, thus rendering his argument less secure. It was truly disturbing to see him condescendingly gloat to the TV presenter over that one, whispering with delight and almost orgasmic.
His weakness is his inability to construct a case on air. Unable to control his infantile excitement, he lacks the finesse, patience and self control to stalk his prey. Hence the rude overtalking, interspersed with animated, patronising facepalms and rolleyes, something of a paradox given the effort he appears to put in to researching his quarry.
Regrettably, his broadcast behaviour is usually a shambles that ends in distasteful confusion, thus masking his efforts. His humiliation, at the hands of Melanie Philips on Radio 4, was an unusual and sublime moment that I savour every time I see or hear the odious twerp on air.
There are few things in life I would like to have seen more than Monbiot up against Mike Dickin, who would have taken him to pieces and fed him to the crows. Alas, not to be, as Mike died long ago. Why do the good ‘uns always go first, while the wrong ‘uns drone on forever?
Having said that, there are a few things in life I would have been equally delighted to witness, as mentioned in an earlier post….
Namely, this stuff…
It goes without saying that he's a hard-left dinosaur, with either a huge chip on his shoulder, or an eye on the amount of money he can make out of it. Socialism and environmentalism are his tools. He is contender for the title Supreme Drivelmeister in these fields.
Knocking cars and drivers sits well with him, as he sees both as anti social and environmentally unsound. As far as I know, this is the first time he's sounded off in this direction, so there's scope for more aggression I would think.
I've never read his books. I'm a bit of a masochist, but that would be a step too far in self abuse. What I have seen are his newspaper and blogging rants, which pain me but, at the same time, provide endless amusement. Maybe I need to see a doctor.
His television and radio appearances are another thing, doing untold harm to my blood pressure and general well-being. To say that I oft have the urge to pull his head off and feed it to the ants is understating the case somewhat.
He is an intellectual snob and wants you to acknowledge his (perceived) superior intellect. He is clueless about road safety, but he clearly puts a lot of effort into researching his environmental stuff. He appears relentlessly driven to find an error in his opponent, then milk it for all its worth. Witness his discovery that Prof David Bellamy had hit the wrong key on his keyboard, thus rendering his argument less secure. It was truly disturbing to see him condescendingly gloat to the TV presenter over that one, whispering with delight and almost orgasmic.
His weakness is his inability to construct a case on air. Unable to control his infantile excitement, he lacks the finesse, patience and self control to stalk his prey. Hence the rude overtalking, interspersed with animated, patronising facepalms and rolleyes, something of a paradox given the effort he appears to put in to researching his quarry.
Regrettably, his broadcast behaviour is usually a shambles that ends in distasteful confusion, thus masking his efforts. His humiliation, at the hands of Melanie Philips on Radio 4, was an unusual and sublime moment that I savour every time I see or hear the odious twerp on air.
There are few things in life I would like to have seen more than Monbiot up against Mike Dickin, who would have taken him to pieces and fed him to the crows. Alas, not to be, as Mike died long ago. Why do the good ‘uns always go first, while the wrong ‘uns drone on forever?
Having said that, there are a few things in life I would have been equally delighted to witness, as mentioned in an earlier post….
Namely, this stuff…
Monbiots website said:
During seven years of investigative journeys in Indonesia, Brazil and East Africa, he was shot at, beaten up by military police, shipwrecked and stung into a poisoned coma by hornets. He came back to work in Britain after being pronounced clinically dead in Lodwar General Hospital in north-western Kenya, having contracted cerebral malaria.
In Britain, he joined the roads protest movement. He was hospitalised by security guards, who drove a metal spike through his foot, smashing the middle bone.
Some people just can’t take a hint….In Britain, he joined the roads protest movement. He was hospitalised by security guards, who drove a metal spike through his foot, smashing the middle bone.
carinaman said:
Was registered as a Technician at Stage 2 on the Engineering Council register a few years ago.
Does that mean I am as well qualified as Callaghan?
Probably - but telling the court that you ARE a member when you are not would give more credence to anything you told them - and make you a liar if your statement were untrue.Does that mean I am as well qualified as Callaghan?
Edited by carinaman on Wednesday 25th August 00:20
Some people are just more practiced at it than others!
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