E Scooters soon to be allowed on UK roads?

[okgo]

The hire ones in Spain etc go 27kph which is much better. Obv they'll be restricted in nanny state Britain

[anonymous-user]

Solocle said:

I took one of the hire ones out yesterday.

My main gripe is that it was too slow. 12.5 mph / 20 kph.

The top speed of UK rental scooters can be 15.5mph (25km/h)

Strange that the company you used have decided to self-impose a lower speed limit.

[jimbobs]

Lord Marylebone said:

Solocle said:

I took one of the hire ones out yesterday.

My main gripe is that it was too slow. 12.5 mph / 20 kph.

The top speed of UK rental scooters can be 15.5mph (25km/h)

Strange that the company you used have decided to self-impose a lower speed limit.

The Nottingham equivalents are also 20kph but the couple I’ve tried couldn’t maintain this uphill. It’s a real putter-offer to using them as intended - 15kph uphill in a combined bus / cycle lane with a bus welded to your jacksie is no fun at all and just means you use the pavement instead.

[Roofless Toothless]

One of the things I learned as a union safety rep is that the diameter of the wheel should be closely related to the evenness of the surface. For instance, roll cages are great in warehouses or supermarkets, but a hazard outdoors. It is possible to turn a laden roll cage over on a step as high as two pound coins. This is from HSE research. How do these vehicles cope with the type of road surfaces a bike, with much larger wheels, will handle with ease, yet a small wheel will trip up on?

[techguyone]

Roofless Toothless said:

One of the things I learned as a union safety rep is that the diameter of the wheel should be closely related to the evenness of the surface. For instance, roll cages are great in warehouses or supermarkets, but a hazard outdoors. It is possible to turn a laden roll cage over on a step as high as two pound coins. This is from HSE research. How do these vehicles cope with the type of road surfaces a bike, with much larger wheels, will handle with ease, yet a small wheel will trip up on?

They don't all come with roller-skate wheels, some even have pneumatic tyres.

[jakesmith]

techguyone said:

Roofless Toothless said:

One of the things I learned as a union safety rep is that the diameter of the wheel should be closely related to the evenness of the surface. For instance, roll cages are great in warehouses or supermarkets, but a hazard outdoors. It is possible to turn a laden roll cage over on a step as high as two pound coins. This is from HSE research. How do these vehicles cope with the type of road surfaces a bike, with much larger wheels, will handle with ease, yet a small wheel will trip up on?

They don't all come with roller-skate wheels, some even have pneumatic tyres.

Mine has 10" pneumatic tires - it really is excellent. Went 12km round trip to Sainsburys on it yesterday it deals well with all sorts of road surfaces. Almost the entire journey on private roads too apart from a 700m stretch on a 40mph road which, truth be known, I'm not that keen on oven though it is extremely wide.

[Northernboy]

okgo said:

lol

The amount of people that smoke weed behind the wheel of something actually dangerous, like a car, or van is HUGE, as if this is an issue.

I know what you mean, it’s the same with drink-driving, loads of people do it, and it hardly kills anyone. Quite why “the man” is trying to stop me driving my lorry overnight without a few cans to keep my spirits up I’ve no idea, and I can’t believe he’s now doing it for psychoactive drugs now too.

[Northernboy]

Roofless Toothless said:

One of the things I learned as a union safety rep is that the diameter of the wheel should be closely related to the evenness of the surface. For instance, roll cages are great in warehouses or supermarkets, but a hazard outdoors. It is possible to turn a laden roll cage over on a step as high as two pound coins. This is from HSE research. How do these vehicles cope with the type of road surfaces a bike, with much larger wheels, will handle with ease, yet a small wheel will trip up on?

Terribly.

I gave up using mine for the “last mile” commute into the City as I took a few tumbles on tiny imperfections, and even when I didn’t gave an off, the little wheels were just unpleasant.

I’d been thinking of getting a better one, with bigger wheels, but have now bought an e-bike instead to do the whole journey on.

[Donbot]

Northernboy said:

okgo said:

lol

The amount of people that smoke weed behind the wheel of something actually dangerous, like a car, or van is HUGE, as if this is an issue.

I know what you mean, it’s the same with drink-driving, loads of people do it, and it hardly kills anyone. Quite why “the man” is trying to stop me driving my lorry overnight without a few cans to keep my spirits up I’ve no idea, and I can’t believe he’s now doing it for psychoactive drugs now too.

Okgo obviously isn't condoning it.

Drunk and drugged idiots will break the law regardless. Less danger to others on a scooter I guess.

[anonymous-user]

Northernboy said:

okgo said:

lol

The amount of people that smoke weed behind the wheel of something actually dangerous, like a car, or van is HUGE, as if this is an issue.

I know what you mean, it’s the same with drink-driving, loads of people do it, and it hardly kills anyone. Quite why “the man” is trying to stop me driving my lorry overnight without a few cans to keep my spirits up I’ve no idea, and I can’t believe he’s now doing it for psychoactive drugs now too.

I think you completely misunderstood okgo's post.

[Northernboy]

Lord Marylebone said:

I think you completely misunderstood okgo's post.

Quite possibly.

[dudleybloke]

Ban and 8 weeks jail for riding an uninsured e-scooter on the road in Birmingham.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-new...

[Solocle]

dudleybloke said:

Ban and 8 weeks jail for riding an uninsured e-scooter on the road in Birmingham.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-new...

And yet people get community orders for death by careless driving. The mind boggles.

[JQ]

dudleybloke said:

Ban and 8 weeks jail for riding an uninsured e-scooter on the road in Birmingham.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-new...

I presume that's actually as a result of the previous laws broken that resulted in him already being banned.

[h0b0]

Solocle said:

dudleybloke said:

Ban and 8 weeks jail for riding an uninsured e-scooter on the road in Birmingham.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-new...

And yet people get community orders for death by careless driving. The mind boggles.

There’s clearly more to it as the punishment is 6 points and £300 fine. The article suggests the rider was already banded from driving so this punishment would be layered on top of the existing one.

[Laurel Green]

It brings into question as to what kind of insurance is provided when renting a legal scooter?

[eldar]

Solocle said:

dudleybloke said:

Ban and 8 weeks jail for riding an uninsured e-scooter on the road in Birmingham.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-new...

And yet people get community orders for death by careless driving. The mind boggles.

Repeated drink drivers get less, people who beat up their partners get less. Paedophiles get less.

Looks rather like trying to maintain the hire escooter monopoly.

[Cold]

Yesterday was the first day of a six month trial in Portsmouth for rental Voi E-Scooters.
It got off to a good start with a woman taking a tumble in Southsea, sustaining head injuries requiring treatment at hospital.

https://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/transport/woman-...

[MB140]

h0b0 said:

Solocle said:

dudleybloke said:

Ban and 8 weeks jail for riding an uninsured e-scooter on the road in Birmingham.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-new...

And yet people get community orders for death by careless driving. The mind boggles.

There’s clearly more to it as the punishment is 6 points and £300 fine. The article suggests the rider was already banded from driving so this punishment would be layered on top of the existing one.

And this is where this punishment is biased for me. If someone doesn’t have a licence they have nothing to lose other than a fine. But someone with a driving licence is looking at points and possible ban.

Seems very unfair to me. (And please don’t mention a ghost licence because let’s be honest some people have no interest in a driving licence so points is of no consequence).

[jakesmith]

MB140 said:

h0b0 said:

Solocle said:

dudleybloke said:

Ban and 8 weeks jail for riding an uninsured e-scooter on the road in Birmingham.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-new...

And yet people get community orders for death by careless driving. The mind boggles.

There’s clearly more to it as the punishment is 6 points and £300 fine. The article suggests the rider was already banded from driving so this punishment would be layered on top of the existing one.

And this is where this punishment is biased for me. If someone doesn’t have a licence they have nothing to lose other than a fine. But someone with a driving licence is looking at points and possible ban.

Seems very unfair to me. (And please don’t mention a ghost licence because let’s be honest some people have no interest in a driving licence so points is of no consequence).

I find that point very odd. Should drink drivers not be disqualified because those without a license wouldn’t be as affected by disqualification if they were caught?