Age 45 medicals for hgv and coach licence

[anonymous-user]

liner33 said:

Just because I don't use it today doesn't mean I won't need to at short notice

Won't you need a current driver cpc as pretty shortly they're compulsory aren't they also a digicard, I only drive old trucks or trade plates @ short notice now until my licence expires in 18ish months

[liner33]

I have a higher qualification than cpc so I'm exempt

[R0G]

liner33 said:

I have a higher qualification than cpc so I'm exempt

Incorrect

The driver cpc is a stand alone requirement for drivers of LVGs or PCVs that drive commercially

There a few that assume the operator cpc covers them but that is not the case

PS - The digicard is not a requirement unless the driver intends to drive a LGV/PCV that has a digital tacho fitted

PCV - after 09/09/2013 anyone driving commercially without a valid DQC will be illegal
LGV - after 09/09/2014 anyone driving commercially without a valid DQC will be illegal

Edited by R0G on Tuesday 11th October 10:59

Edited by R0G on Tuesday 11th October 11:00

[liner33]

Who said anything about commercially ??

[R0G]

liner33 said:

Who said anything about commercially ??

That is what the driver cpc is all about

If you just drive LGVs or PCVs privately then no need to have it

[liner33]

Thread isnt about CPC though , might be worth staying on topic rather than worrying about something 2 years away

[anonymous-user]

liner33 said:

Thread isnt about CPC though , might be worth staying on topic rather than worrying about something 2 years away

Might be worth wording your original post better so that people can understand what you're actually asking.

[R0G]

liner33 said:

Thats dreaded age is approaching and whilst i dont use my hgv or PCV entitlements i dont want to use them so wondered how the medical thing worked

Do dvla inform me when they are due?

Will i need seperate ones for each category?

DVLA 'usually' inform you about 6 weeks prior to expiry but the actual expiry date is next to the LGV entitlement(s) on the photocard licence

One medical covers all PCV & LGV categories

If you do not want to renew the medical then you can leave it to 'sleep' and then renew it at any time in the future that suits you with no maximum 'sleep' time

[jm doc]

R0G said:

The D4 form is specific to the medical done on that day and if all is ok then your GP is not contacted by DVLA medical section - driver agrees to this on the form
The driver does have a legal duty to inform DVLA of any ongoing medical issues

Many people THINK that a full medical history must be provided but this is not the case

On the contrary, a comprehensive medical history is a fundamental requirement and forms the major part of the HGV/PSV medical. I know recently of a patient who failed to disclose a previous fit which had been considered to be epileptic. There was only one brief reference to it buried in his medical record. He had been driving 38 ton artics for several years despite this and fully expected to continue for a further 5 years. It was extremely difficult to explain that it was very unlikely that he would ever be able to drive professionally again. If the medical is carried out by someone other than the patient's registered doctor, there is no way to independently verify the person's statement of medical history. In the case I describe, the failure to disclose may have been due to some confusion and misunderstanding, but when a person's licence is a stake how difficult would you find it to declare something that may prevent you from working again?

[R0G]

jm doc said:

On the contrary, a comprehensive medical history is a fundamental requirement and forms the major part of the HGV/PSV medical. I know recently of a patient who failed to disclose a previous fit which had been considered to be epileptic.

I think I said previously that the DRIVER must disclose any medical issues to DVLA and they have a legal obligation to do so

The D4 medical is designed as a basic medical which is why it can be done by any doctor and during that process the DRIVER is asked about any other issues

A driver can be fully fit at age 18 for D4 medical but at age 30 they get a serious medical issue - the next D4 medical is not until age 45 so that is why the DRIVER has that legal obligation to inform DVLA of any medical issues

[julian64]

£95 for an HGV medical. I know cos I just done one .

£95 isn't picked out of the air, its the BMA published fee and will be constant across the whole GP world.

If you are getting one for £50 then its not likely to be from your own GP.

[R0G]

julian64 said:

£95 for an HGV medical. I know cos I just done one .

£95 isn't picked out of the air, its the BMA published fee and will be constant across the whole GP world.

If you are getting one for £50 then its not likely to be from your own GP.

There are many GPs listed on the trucknetuk site who charge as little as £30 and that can be proved by ringing them as their contact numbers are listed

The BMA is only issuing guidelines as they cannot tell a GP what to charge for a private (non NHS) issue

[julian64]

R0G said:

julian64 said:

£95 for an HGV medical. I know cos I just done one .

£95 isn't picked out of the air, its the BMA published fee and will be constant across the whole GP world.

If you are getting one for £50 then its not likely to be from your own GP.

There are many GPs listed on the trucknetuk site who charge as little as £30 and that can be proved by ringing them as their contact numbers are listed

The BMA is only issuing guidelines as they cannot tell a GP what to charge for a private (non NHS) issue

I'm sure you're right, but being as the HGV medical asks a load of questions from the examiner, some of which you can examine for BP VA etc, some of which you can't.
'Any history of collapse, epilepsy' etc


How exactly does a doctor you find advertising on-line give the answers to any of those questions with no access to the patients medical notes. Do they just ask the patient if they are fit to drive .

[R0G]

julian64 said:

I'm sure you're right, but being as the HGV medical asks a load of questions from the examiner, some of which you can examine for BP VA etc, some of which you can't.
'Any history of collapse, epilepsy' etc


How exactly does a doctor you find advertising on-line give the answers to any of those questions with no access to the patients medical notes. Do they just ask the patient if they are fit to drive .

You got it mate - the doctor asks the questions and the driver gives the answers - that is the LAW

[julian64]

R0G said:

julian64 said:

I'm sure you're right, but being as the HGV medical asks a load of questions from the examiner, some of which you can examine for BP VA etc, some of which you can't.
'Any history of collapse, epilepsy' etc


How exactly does a doctor you find advertising on-line give the answers to any of those questions with no access to the patients medical notes. Do they just ask the patient if they are fit to drive .

You got it mate - the doctor asks the questions and the driver gives the answers - that is the LAW

Not a lot of point then because you could tell the doctor anything you wanted and unless you were completely stupid, he'd be none the wiser. Methinks someone with something to hide would be onto a winner.

Either that or I'm being completely daft spending time going through peoples notes before the exam.

[R0G]

julian64 said:

Not a lot of point then because you could tell the doctor anything you wanted and unless you were completely stupid, he'd be none the wiser. Methinks someone with something to hide would be onto a winner.

Either that or I'm being completely daft spending time going through peoples notes before the exam.

If you want to refer to a patients notes then that is your choice but is NOT a legal requirement

The legal filling in of a D4 medical form is very specific - do what the form asks to be done

[julian64]

R0G said:

julian64 said:

Not a lot of point then because you could tell the doctor anything you wanted and unless you were completely stupid, he'd be none the wiser. Methinks someone with something to hide would be onto a winner.

Either that or I'm being completely daft spending time going through peoples notes before the exam.

If you want to refer to a patients notes then that is your choice but is NOT a legal requirement

The legal filling in of a D4 medical form is very specific - do what the form asks to be done

http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg/groups/dg_digitalassets/@dg/@en/@motor/documents/digitalasset/dg_4020731.pdf

INF4D

A. What you have to do
1. You must arrange an appointment for a full medical examination from a doctor registered or practising in United Kingdom or in any other EC/EEA country.
If your own doctor fills in the D4 medical examination
it may speed up your application.

Plus how would you fill in section 7 on the D4 form

You are entirely correct it can be any medical doctor, but I suggest it would require you as the applicant to divulge absolutely everything, or your form would be void, also be holding copies of medical correspondance on yourself. How many people in their middle age would remember the answers to all the questions on that form, without having their OWN doctor prompting them with their medical history.

You are right that I could fill in that form, or even get the patient to fill it in which is what you are effectively saying with their own remembered history, for £30. If their was a problem later on I could just say 'Well the patient didn't tell me that, its the patients fault'

OOOORRRRR, if I were their doctor and a similar question was asked I would have to say its because despite the fact I had all their notes in front of me I didn't read the history of them being diabetic.

I think you can understand there is a difference there which is why they seem to be suggesting it should be your own doctor. Still if you want to save £50 and have the responsibility of a correctly filled in form I don't see why that shouldn't be allowed.

Come any sort of investigation though I suggest you might change your mind . I've only had one investigation in the last fifteen years where an insurance company after an accident basically wanted me to justify what I had put on someone form.

If its all the same to you I'll keep doing it my way.

[R0G]

julian64 said:

If its all the same to you I'll keep doing it my way.

If your way does not cost more than about £50 then fair play but if charging drivers much more than they need to pay then I deem it close to being a rip off - BUT it is up to the comsumer to do the research!!

What is really bad is when GPs state that the driver MUST go to their own GP as that is not fact

[Bone Rat]

julian64 said:

INF4D

A. What you have to do
1. You must arrange an appointment for a full medical examination from a doctor registered or practising in United Kingdom or in any other EC/EEA country.
If your own doctor fills in the D4 medical examination
it may speed up your application.

Plus how would you fill in section 7 on the D4 form

Hi,

Regarding the status of the doctor completing the D4 - it is correct that it can be any FULLY registered medical practitoner irrespective of whether they are the GP or have access to the patient notes.

However if a problem is highlighted & information put in Section 7 by the GP who knows the driver or has access to the notes (+/- copies sent with the D4) the application may go through quicker as there may be sufficient info.
If the D4 is completed by a Dr who is not the GP it is likely that further information will be requested from the GP practice possibly adding to the time taken to process the case.

Just a thought.