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turbobloke said:
For the sake of a few minutes' effort, the suggestion from Mandat could be worth pursuing. It may come to nothing.
Here is my appeal wording....I am trying to get them to see some reason to my parking, so just seeing if there some people with common sense, rather than a rule book.The width of the parking bays is always an issue for my vehicle, and it has been damaged a couple of times from people parking too close, as well as one occasion in the same car park, where I was unable to get into the driver's side as a car had parked so close. I chose this space at the end of a row to be conscious of other people parking and to protect my car. As shown in the photos, the car is over the bay's line, but not obstructing any other bay, or access to the car park (the yellow hatching area only seems to protect a telecoms switching box). With my vehicle being almost 2.2m wide and the doors almost 30cm thick, the bays in this car park are generally too restrictive to allow for passengers to get out of my car from both sides when other cars are parked either side, hence choosing this space and showing consideration for other patrons of the car park.
I would like to add that I understand the need to maximise the amount of spaces in car parks, but the bays in many of Epsom's car parks are not suitable for cars as large as mine, without inconveniencing other drivers, or risking damage to mine and/or other's cars.
I recognise that I have contravened the council's rules, however I hope that you understand that I would never do something like this with any malicious intent, or just to flout the rules with little, or no regard of others. I therefore ask for your leniency and request that you waive the PCN please.
I have attached photos from this morning with smaller cars in, showing the hatched area from a better angle to show that I was not parking in an area that would obstruct anyone's access. Note - the silver car is parked in an area that has a parking bay outline, but yellow hatching, therefore it is unclear whether you can park there or not, and this is what I assumed was effectively "dead space" in the car park.
bridgland said:
Here is my appeal wording....I am trying to get them to see some reason to my parking, so just seeing if there some people with common sense, rather than a rule book.
The width of the parking bays is always an issue for my vehicle, and it has been damaged a couple of times from people parking too close, as well as one occasion in the same car park, where I was unable to get into the driver's side as a car had parked so close. I chose this space at the end of a row to be conscious of other people parking and to protect my car. As shown in the photos, the car is over the bay's line, but not obstructing any other bay, or access to the car park (the yellow hatching area only seems to protect a telecoms switching box). With my vehicle being almost 2.2m wide and the doors almost 30cm thick, the bays in this car park are generally too restrictive to allow for passengers to get out of my car from both sides when other cars are parked either side, hence choosing this space and showing consideration for other patrons of the car park.
I would like to add that I understand the need to maximise the amount of spaces in car parks, but the bays in many of Epsom's car parks are not suitable for cars as large as mine, without inconveniencing other drivers, or risking damage to mine and/or other's cars.
I recognise that I have contravened the council's rules, however I hope that you understand that I would never do something like this with any malicious intent, or just to flout the rules with little, or no regard of others. I therefore ask for your leniency and request that you waive the PCN please.
I have attached photos from this morning with smaller cars in, showing the hatched area from a better angle to show that I was not parking in an area that would obstruct anyone's access. Note - the silver car is parked in an area that has a parking bay outline, but yellow hatching, therefore it is unclear whether you can park there or not, and this is what I assumed was effectively "dead space" in the car park.
Have some self respect man .....The width of the parking bays is always an issue for my vehicle, and it has been damaged a couple of times from people parking too close, as well as one occasion in the same car park, where I was unable to get into the driver's side as a car had parked so close. I chose this space at the end of a row to be conscious of other people parking and to protect my car. As shown in the photos, the car is over the bay's line, but not obstructing any other bay, or access to the car park (the yellow hatching area only seems to protect a telecoms switching box). With my vehicle being almost 2.2m wide and the doors almost 30cm thick, the bays in this car park are generally too restrictive to allow for passengers to get out of my car from both sides when other cars are parked either side, hence choosing this space and showing consideration for other patrons of the car park.
I would like to add that I understand the need to maximise the amount of spaces in car parks, but the bays in many of Epsom's car parks are not suitable for cars as large as mine, without inconveniencing other drivers, or risking damage to mine and/or other's cars.
I recognise that I have contravened the council's rules, however I hope that you understand that I would never do something like this with any malicious intent, or just to flout the rules with little, or no regard of others. I therefore ask for your leniency and request that you waive the PCN please.
I have attached photos from this morning with smaller cars in, showing the hatched area from a better angle to show that I was not parking in an area that would obstruct anyone's access. Note - the silver car is parked in an area that has a parking bay outline, but yellow hatching, therefore it is unclear whether you can park there or not, and this is what I assumed was effectively "dead space" in the car park.
I think you would be wasting your time appealing the ticket as you clearly did not park in the parking space and that is what you got the ticket for.Whether the yellow hatched area is a parking bay or not is irrelevant.Even though your car is large you could have parked within the bay quite easily.Just take it on the chin and move on.
Maybe just pay up and park better next time? The council could not care less if your car gets dented or scratched, it is on a sign in every council car park.
I used to drive a Jeep Grand Cherokee that was equally huge - if I couldn't find a wide enough space to park, I'd park it somewhere else.
I used to drive a Jeep Grand Cherokee that was equally huge - if I couldn't find a wide enough space to park, I'd park it somewhere else.
Don't ask don't get, so the OP has nothing to lose by making an informal representation.
Step 1 - https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/consumer/cars-an...
A local authority has discretionary power to cancel any PCN.
Very few of them use it though because they rely on the income to prop up their budget.
Especially now that central government keeps tightening the screw even further.
Unfortunately I reckon that TankRizzo will be proved correct.
Then it's either pay up within 14 days (and get the discount) or sit tight and proceed to Step 2.
Unless the OP can find some better ground for a formal appeal, all that will happen is it will cost him more money.
Step 1 - https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/consumer/cars-an...
A local authority has discretionary power to cancel any PCN.
Very few of them use it though because they rely on the income to prop up their budget.
Especially now that central government keeps tightening the screw even further.
Unfortunately I reckon that TankRizzo will be proved correct.
Then it's either pay up within 14 days (and get the discount) or sit tight and proceed to Step 2.
Unless the OP can find some better ground for a formal appeal, all that will happen is it will cost him more money.
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