Overtaking - how fast??
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gone said:
Maturity is more about being reasonable I think you will find . Not many of your posts show any of that at all. Most are extreme views which advocate that people should ignore laws and gratify their own personal wishes in the process regardless of the consequences to anyone else.
No 'Gone' that is not fair.
John does let rip at times - or is a bit blunt as he said himself - but so far as driving is concerned I have no reason to doubt that he seeks to maintain a proper level of safety. I very much doubt if it is a case of 'press on regardless' in a selfish and uncaring fashion.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
>> Edited by TripleS on Sunday 20th March 19:23
TripleS said:
Maturity is more about being reasonable I think you will find
No 'Gone' that is not fair.
John does let rip at times - or is a bit blunt as he said himself - but so far as driving is concerned I have no reason to doubt that he seeks to maintain a proper level of safety. I very much doubt if it a case of 'press on regardless' in a selfish and uncaring fashion.
Best wishes all,
Dave.
Ta
Had not really digested that bit of Gones post. I think my lack of succesful prosecutions and record of no fault accidents speaks for itself. I don't drive aggressively, never have really. I probably drive slower now than I did as a very young man but that is due to fading tallent and physical ability rather than anything else.
I think Gone and I often appear to be at odds when he sees my posts challenge what is to him simply the Law. In that respect I think I maybe fail to be clear. I have no problem with law as such, we need laws to maintain civilisation. My criticism is almost always from a political stance. After all I believe we are at war at the moment not with Iraqi terrorists but with lentil munching control freaks in the public services and government. Occasionally like in this thread I may take issue with the actions of an individual, but I am sure I am careful not to upset individuals who post here, whereas I may slag blair and other idiots without mercy, after all they ask for it IMO. That invective however, should not be projected on to the group as a whole as has be the case here with the various misquotes.
In all that I say there is an underlying resonableness in so far as I am basically a libertarian. I fail to see why wherever possible all people should not be allowed to do pretty much what they like, provided that they don't make life unbearable for others.
With that basic ideal in mind I therfore condemn things like speed cameras, Breath tests, inspection requirements for house wiring and much of the activity carried out by government agencies. The basic reason for this is because these are rules to dumb down the nation. They steal our individuality and in the end they fail to protect anyone.For example I am in favour of removing almost all the road furniture in the UK. It would result is safer driving IMO. In short then, I advocate leaving the risk in place and allowing the people to learn to manage that risk for themselves. Unless the state simply must intervene as a last resort.
This of course is always likely to be in contrast with the experiences of serving policemen because they draw on those specific experiences to illustrate the consequences when the public get their risk management wrong. For the police it is clearly a matter of XYZ happenned and these are the reasons why. For the rest of us there are shades of grey and because often we as members of the public identify our experiences with the possible consequences the tendancy is to argue the toss. I believe that if I overtook a line of traffic in a safe place after overtaking a panda car that contained any of the BIBs on here they would not see it as a reason to pull me, simply because I dont drive in a way that antagonises people. I therefore conclude that my earlier posts merely reflect that. I may of course be quite wrong and cheeky could have been driving lake a t
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He does not however come accross like that.
The last time I was stopped for speeding (in 1998) was 74mph in a NSL while over-taking a 50mph car. It was on a straight >1/2 mile long and on a road I drive every day. At the end of the straight I always slow down to allow for numpties pulling out of a side-road (they seem to do this often).
I was stopped about 200yards before this side-road (having completed my over-take further up the road and slowed back to 60mph). In the back of the cop-car I was shown a photo of my car mid over-take. I was told that I should have over-taken at 60mph and that TED is irrelevant. I was also told that at the speed I was doing, I wouldn't have been able to stop if traffic pulled out in front of me from the side road. The fact that plod stopped me 200yards before this junction didn’t seem to register. Total and absolute cr@p which further lowered my opinion of policing.
Edited to say that I of course received a fine and 3 points.
>> Edited by jap-car on Monday 21st March 13:43
I was stopped about 200yards before this side-road (having completed my over-take further up the road and slowed back to 60mph). In the back of the cop-car I was shown a photo of my car mid over-take. I was told that I should have over-taken at 60mph and that TED is irrelevant. I was also told that at the speed I was doing, I wouldn't have been able to stop if traffic pulled out in front of me from the side road. The fact that plod stopped me 200yards before this junction didn’t seem to register. Total and absolute cr@p which further lowered my opinion of policing.
Edited to say that I of course received a fine and 3 points.
>> Edited by jap-car on Monday 21st March 13:43
I know an ambulance driver who swears blind that the only time you can exceed the speed limit is when you're overtaking. I've tried to tell him otherwise but he won't have it... He will probably learn the hard way.
Eau dear, not sure who taught him to drive.
He's not all bad though, he did say there was a certain measure of enjoyment in setting of the fixed cameras, although his last 65 in a 30 upset a few people.
Back to the point, when overtaking traffic I'll normally pickup speed to about 70 - 75 MAX on a NSL. Any faster and the risk increases accordingly. I've had a few other cars pull out to overtake not noticing my large toff roader in their mirrors!!!
In some overtaking situations the safest thing to do is exceed the limit to get past the traffic in front, this of course is my own opinion.
Exceeding the limit to pass a marked police car seems a bit non-sensical, what do you expect to happen?
Eau dear, not sure who taught him to drive.
He's not all bad though, he did say there was a certain measure of enjoyment in setting of the fixed cameras, although his last 65 in a 30 upset a few people.
Back to the point, when overtaking traffic I'll normally pickup speed to about 70 - 75 MAX on a NSL. Any faster and the risk increases accordingly. I've had a few other cars pull out to overtake not noticing my large toff roader in their mirrors!!!
In some overtaking situations the safest thing to do is exceed the limit to get past the traffic in front, this of course is my own opinion.
Exceeding the limit to pass a marked police car seems a bit non-sensical, what do you expect to happen?
Deester said:
...Exceeding the limit to pass a marked police car seems a bit non-sensical, what do you expect to happen?...
It's risky for sure; a risk that you may be pulled by a BIB who doesn't appreciate the safest way to overtake.
However, what's possibly more risky (to your safety) is, if you see a BIB car in the line that you did not previously know was there, and you slow down during the overtake because of this.
I asked this very question to two traffic cops who were admiring my Chim the other day. I thought their response was fair enough. Firstly they said that the limit was a limit and that is that. There are no exeptions even when overtaking. If you cant overtake without going over the limit then they would deem it as an unsafe manouver.
They also said that if they clocked the speed for, I think they said, 1/5th of a mile and it was seen to be over the limit they would pull them up and have a word. If they couldn't clock the speed over that distance and the driver wasn't acting like a loony then they would let it go.
He then asked me if I would prefere to be pulled up by a 6'-6", 18 stone copper with a bad attitude or copped by a scammera. I said the copper. He said correct, because the camera would do you instantly but the copper has three choices. He could give you a good bollocking and then send you on your way, he could just give you the usual lecture, or he could just do you.
They also said that if they clocked the speed for, I think they said, 1/5th of a mile and it was seen to be over the limit they would pull them up and have a word. If they couldn't clock the speed over that distance and the driver wasn't acting like a loony then they would let it go.
He then asked me if I would prefere to be pulled up by a 6'-6", 18 stone copper with a bad attitude or copped by a scammera. I said the copper. He said correct, because the camera would do you instantly but the copper has three choices. He could give you a good bollocking and then send you on your way, he could just give you the usual lecture, or he could just do you.
ntel said:
I asked this very question to two traffic cops who were admiring my Chim the other day. I thought their response was fair enough. Firstly they said that the limit was a limit and that is that. There are no exeptions even when overtaking. If you cant overtake without going over the limit then they would deem it as an unsafe manouver.
They also said that if they clocked the speed for, I think they said, 1/5th of a mile and it was seen to be over the limit they would pull them up and have a word. If they couldn't clock the speed over that distance and the driver wasn't acting like a loony then they would let it go.
He then asked me if I would prefere to be pulled up by a 6'-6", 18 stone copper with a bad attitude or copped by a scammera. I said the copper. He said correct, because the camera would do you instantly but the copper has three choices. He could give you a good bollocking and then send you on your way, he could just give you the usual lecture, or he could just do you.
Yeah I am sure they were nice blokes and its all very interesting but it does not alter the fact that the speed limit is danger to road users and should be scrapped in GLFs. Spouting the coompany line about the limit is the limit is not really moving the thing on much. Clearly the limit is not the limit as all sorts of exemptions occur. One notable one was the 19 year old Princess of Wales to be in a convoy at 110 mph with 2 police cars. Very safe I am sure but it does not make me dangerous at any more than 60. I guess the answer is to just carry on regardless and wait for the silliness to stop, just keep an eye out for the cops.
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