Now you can't speed.....

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Streetcop

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5,907 posts

240 months

Thursday 23rd September 2004
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'Spy' under bonnet could stop speeding
By David Williams, Evening Standard Motoring Editor
23 September 2004

Speed limiters could be fitted to cars in London under radical plans backed by the Mayor.

The electronic under-bonnet "spy" would make it impossible to exceed legal limits over the entire capital.

The satellite-controlled black box would "know" the maximum permitted speed at all points along a car's journey and prevent motorists from going too fast by limiting the response from the accelerator.


The tough new measure, in Transport for London's Draft Road Safety Action Plan, was unveiled at the Pan-London Road Safety Forum today.

The plan calls for speed limiters be fitted initially to public service vehicles such as buses and taxis. This would dramatically reduce average speeds across the capital by forcing other vehicles to fall in line.

However, experts at Transport for London's Road Safety Unit also want motorists to be encouraged to fit the limiters through incentive schemes.

Motorists can take their cars to a garage to have the limiter fitted for less than ?150. In return, they would be offered cheaper insurance because they would be deemed a lower risk.

But experts believe the scheme could become mandatory and all motorists would have to pay to have their cars fitted with the device.

Chris Lines, head of the unit, told the Standard: "Proposals for the limiter will be discussed today. We also want a study to look at the potential benefits of this scheme in London. It might also replace speed humps and speed cameras in due course."

In a statement today, Mayor Ken Livingstone confirmed his support for the scheme.

He said: "The use of speed limiters could save many lives in London. We must, however, ensure it is safe and the right solution for London."

Speed limiters are already fitted to some new cars voluntarily by manufacturers but must be set by the driver.

Today the AA warned that motorists would resist losing control over their cars.

But it said many motorists would welcome an "optional" limiter as they were confused by speed limits in London which frequently ranged from 20mph to 30, 40, 50 and 60mph.

"Drivers do not want to lose control taken altogether," said the AA's Paul Watters, head of roads and transport policy.

However, Jenny Jones, London Assembly Green Party spokeswoman, said: "We have to find a way of stopping speed-related injuries and deaths in London. If this technology works as well as we think it will, we have a duty to act quickly to stop the destruction of people's lives."

The Mayor and Transport for London will now consider the proposals in detail. Ministers are also looking for experts to compile a powerful digital "map" containing details of every speed limit in Britain.


ben_london

174 posts

242 months

Thursday 23rd September 2004
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Hmmmmmm.

I can see me honestly moving out of London if that comes into play. No way would I want that in any way shape or form.

Street mate, honest opinion. Good idea???

HertsBiker

6,320 posts

273 months

Thursday 23rd September 2004
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Get. A. Bike. Easy. No longer held up by slowbies* !




* 2 year old phrase, sorry.

ben_london

174 posts

242 months

Thursday 23rd September 2004
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My work is now selling Triumphs and am very very very tempted by a lovely clue Datona I believe its called. Gorgeous and may well save up for it.

ben_london

174 posts

242 months

Thursday 23rd September 2004
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My work is now selling Triumphs and am very very very tempted by a lovely clue Datona I believe its called. Gorgeous and may well save up for it.

Apache

39,731 posts

286 months

Thursday 23rd September 2004
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Streetcop said:
The electronic under-bonnet "spy" would make it impossible to exceed legal limits over the entire capital.




Is speeding in London a serious issue? from what I've seen you're more likely to break a speed limit by walking a bit quick

ben_london

174 posts

242 months

Thursday 23rd September 2004
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Depends, if it means central London then the chance of reaching 30 would be a fine thing but some of the A Roads and out skirt area's can get a bit of speed up.

Streetcop

Original Poster:

5,907 posts

240 months

Thursday 23rd September 2004
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ben_london said:
Street mate, honest opinion. Good idea???




Street

g_attrill

7,758 posts

248 months

Thursday 23rd September 2004
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Relax, this kind of thing will not be technically feasible until the EU Gallileo project is launched, and they haven't started building the satellites yet.

Gareth

ben_london

174 posts

242 months

Thursday 23rd September 2004
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Oh yeah, new Street cant tell us

Alice Cupra

1,032 posts

239 months

Thursday 23rd September 2004
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a journalist said:
Ministers are also looking for experts to compile a powerful digital "map" containing details of every speed limit in Britain.


So does this mean when our car gets flashed by a Gatso in a temporary speed limit in roadworks, for example, which has not been updated onto the 'powerful digital map' by the 'experts', we can have any speeding conviction quashed because "my car has a limiter and is incapable of exceeding the speed limit?"

No. Didn't think so.....

nicecupoftea

25,298 posts

253 months

Friday 24th September 2004
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evening standard said:
In return, they would be offered cheaper insurance because they would be deemed a lower risk.



That's right, because they keep the accelerator nailed to the floor and don't worry about their speed, they're safer!!



FFS when will these people realise it's not the answer!? A false sense of security given by the fact that they "can't speed" will lead to no end of kiddies being run over outside schools, etc.

"But I couldn't have been speeding"


>> Edited by nicecupoftea on Friday 24th September 00:41

Streetcop

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5,907 posts

240 months

Friday 24th September 2004
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Less likely to kill em though......

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

257 months

Friday 24th September 2004
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What happens as you lean the bike over and the satellite applies the brakes and cuts the throttle....?

The Good Prof Carsten at Leeds University is trialling a number of such cars. Launched some time ago, but still no story. Have they all been written off?

ledfoot

777 posts

254 months

Friday 24th September 2004
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Streetcop said:
But it said many motorists would welcome an "optional" limiter as they were confused by speed limits in London which frequently ranged from 20mph to 30, 40, 50 and 60mph.



If these 'motorists' are confused they shouldn't be allowed on the roads

How is a speed limiter going to help on the lower limits ? I guess we are talking about a satellite controlled limiter that knows all the road limits, and prevents speeding on all roads.

>> Edited by ledfoot on Friday 24th September 00:58

nel

4,772 posts

243 months

Friday 24th September 2004
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Streetcop said:
Less likely to kill em though......


until the speed limiter goes doolally!

If they try to implement this silly scheme it will make the value of nice classics shoot up - get your non-electronic, lobotomy proof vehicles quick!

Problem is that old mechanical injection systems and carburettor fed engines are not as clean burning - be a good way to increase atmospheric pollution in London.

What a bunch of pillocks!

rsvmilly

11,288 posts

243 months

Friday 24th September 2004
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Streetcop said:
Less likely to kill em though......
Morning Street.

I take on baord your point.

Why not address the problem properly and get parents to educate their children in how to cross the road?

swilly

9,699 posts

276 months

Friday 24th September 2004
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Would having one of these devices fitted therefore count as a solid unassailable defence against any charge of speeding?

If made mandatory and prior to speed camera's being removed, who pays for the speedcamera's and the various initiatives currently funded by scamera fines?

How does the technology judge exactly where a speed limit starts/changes?
Will this require mapping of each and every speed limit change to the nearest mm, cm, metre, 10 metres???

How will the technology adapt to changes to speed limits, particularly if they are temporary changes to permit roadworks say.

When everyone is prevented from driving around at above the speed limits and the number of road deaths and injuries doesnt change what will TfL and the lentil-lefties do then???

einion yrth

19,575 posts

246 months

Friday 24th September 2004
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swilly said:


When everyone is prevented from driving around at above the speed limits and the number of road deaths and injuries doesnt change what will TfL and the lentil-lefties do then???

Lower the limits obviously

iaint

10,040 posts

240 months

Friday 24th September 2004
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Streetcop said:
Less likely to kill em though......


Hypothetically...

The average speed drops to 30 from 35 giving double the chance of survival. Lack of responsibility reduced drivers awareness and accident rate increaces 4 times...

Red Kens press release "The percentage of children killed in accidents has fallen by 50%"

Reality: twice as many dead and injured.

It could happen!