Can I beat the system?

[blindswelledrat]

I have a brothr who lives in Australia and does not intend to return.
Whats to stop me claiming he was driving if I ever get a speeding fine/ ticket?

[hedders]

I don't see a problem.

So long as you send them a license to endorse and the cash I don't think they will bother with you any further.


I knew a few people overseas who still hold UK licenses too actually...it would be no skin off their nose!

>> Edited by hedders on Thursday 26th May 17:56

[fq400]

Old trick - if you have relatives who have an international licence - and don't have a uk one !! - then you just send off their licence with the fine and they're more than happy to take your money without worrying about points! It would be worth checking that they don't have a front-facing photo though - I've heard of people getting busted by that!

[kevinday]

I believe the police have been known to follow up these, and ask to see air tickets and the like to prove the relative was actually in the country.

[mel]

Surely the emphasis must be on them to prove your guilt not you to prove innocence, if they ask for air tickets etc tell them to sod off.

[brian b]

Air tickets? They are for the plebs, my 60ft yacht is in my private marina - now eff off plod.

[steff]

Hmm peverting the cause of justice anyone?

and a criminal record?

and a couple of months inside?

I dont think its worth it.

[hedders]

steff said:

Hmm peverting the cause of justice anyone? and a criminal record? and a couple of months inside? I dont think its worth it.

Depends really...is it worth admitting doing 35 mph if it moeans losing your license, job, house, kids etc?

Personally I know which risk i would take first!

[cliffe_mafia]

mel said:

Surely the emphasis must be on them to prove your guilt not you to prove innocence, if they ask for air tickets etc tell them to sod off.

If only....

[BliarOut]

kevinday said:

I believe the police have been known to follow up these, and ask to see air tickets and the like to prove the relative was actually in the country.

If it was the police, then there's an outside chance they would. Scammers on the other hand are only interested in the ca$h

[mcflurry]

A friend of mine in LA has 9 uk points. She kept her UK licence, and has a US one now too

[Y 1 CAN]

All the Nigerians and Pakistani's I've worked with in recent years laugh at the idea of providing their own name for a speed camera offence. They give the names and addresses of relatives abroad, and when asked, say the relatives haven't kept the airline tickets, and all is forgotten. Apparently loads of letters will get sent to the addresses abroad, but since no-one responds, no fines are ever paid, or points awarded. Of course it would be wrong to name a relative abroad if they weren't actually driving at the time of the offence, and our system of fair play would eventually break down etc.

[annsxman]

The Camera Partnerships will write to the person named offshore and ask them what arrangements were in place for them to be insured whilst driving your car. If they weren't covered - say your policy only covers yourself and your wife as an example - then you are guilty of an offence under section 143 RTA 1988 of allowing someone to drive your car whilst uninsured - it carries 6 to 8 points plus a fine. If they don't reply they will ask you and the burden of proof is on you to satisfy them that the person you have named as the driver was insured. If of course they don't even reply then they might be left wondering whether this person existed at all.

[Y 1 CAN]

I refer the learned gentleman to a Mr. Javaid of London, who has used this technique to successfully evade 18 convictions! B.T.W. His cousins are getting tired of the junk-mail being sent to Pakistan, so there was a price to pay.

[puggit]

So as the registered keeper of a car, IF someone else was caught driving it, is the onus on me to prove the car was insured... or the onus on the driver when caught?

I think the onus is on the driver, and if they are abroad an uncontactable, even better.

The law regarding filling out a NIP only says that the registered keeper must make reasonable efforts to identify the driver - that's identify, not provide receipts for their travel iteniry!

[Flat in Fifth]

puggit said:

So as the registered keeper of a car, IF someone else was caught driving it, is the onus on me to prove the car was insured... or the onus on the driver when caught? I think the onus is on the driver, and if they are abroad an uncontactable, even better. The law regarding filling out a NIP only says that the registered keeper must make reasonable efforts to identify the driver - that's identify, not provide receipts for their travel iteniry!

If you allow someone to drive your car and haven't checked if they are insured then you could be accused of permitting.

Now let us suppose, just for the sake of argument, that your policy is valid for all drivers with owner's permission. What will happen then?

No question about valid insurance. You say you don't know the detail of their travel plans to/from country. Is a full scale survey of airline passenger flight and immigration records over a two month period going to happen?. Goinng to find lots of Mr Singhs and Patels me thinks. So what happens then?

Still reckon xxplod had the best idea if push came to shove. If it wasn't xxplod my apols.

[andygo]

Flat in Fifth said:

puggit said: So as the registered keeper of a car, IF someone else was caught driving it, is the onus on me to prove the car was insured... or the onus on the driver when caught? I think the onus is on the driver, and if they are abroad an uncontactable, even better. The law regarding filling out a NIP only says that the registered keeper must make reasonable efforts to identify the driver - that's identify, not provide receipts for their travel iteniry! If you allow someone to drive your car and haven't checked if they are insured then you could be accused of permitting. Now let us suppose, just for the sake of argument, that your policy is valid for all drivers with owner's permission. What will happen then? No question about valid insurance. You say you don't know the detail of their travel plans to/from country. Is a full scale survey of airline passenger flight and immigration records over a two month period going to happen?. Goinng to find lots of Mr Singhs and Patels me thinks. So what happens then? Still reckon xxplod had the best idea if push came to shove. If it wasn't xxplod my apols.

Or.. You could say cheeky git borrowed my car without me knowing and then got a NIP. He was driving, not me, so chase him, scamerati.

[daveyctvr]

hedders said:

steff said: Hmm peverting the cause of justice anyone? and a criminal record? and a couple of months inside? I dont think its worth it. Depends really...is it worth admitting doing 35 mph if it moeans losing your license, job, house, kids etc? Personally I know which risk i would take first!

excellent well said!! couldnt agree more, admit to nothing !!

[dcb]

steff said:

Hmm peverting the cause of justice anyone? and a criminal record? and a couple of months inside? I dont think its worth it.

Fair point, but also the prisons are full to overflowing.

Judges are *most* reluctant to put anyone away in the big house. Tagging is much the preferred option.

Even if they do put you away, you get an automatic 50 per cent reduction if your time is less than three years or so.

Chatting with a few mates down the pub, who have done time, some of them prefer it to their home life.

All the TV you can eat, food provided each day, lots of namby pamby social workers all over you like a rash, loads of new mates etc etc

Not that I would condone breaking the law, after all the law is the law, and we all must behave ourselves, I'm just pointing out a few realities of the justice system in the UK, as I have percieved it.