Twitter cyclists v Twitter driver video - who's right?

Twitter cyclists v Twitter driver video - who's right?

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Ken Figenus

Original Poster:

5,807 posts

123 months

Sunday 7th March 2021
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Conflict that gets no one anywhere but who is in the wrong here - many seem to think it 100% clear cut:

https://twitter.com/petemorristwit/status/13680179...

Edited by Ken Figenus on Sunday 7th March 14:13

monthou

4,834 posts

56 months

Sunday 7th March 2021
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Cyclist. I say that as one.

the tribester

2,581 posts

92 months

Sunday 7th March 2021
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The cyclist on the left is stopping to turn back having just seen the cyclist ahead of him come off his bike whilst turning right.

The car driver maybe didn't see that.

Who's right in what??

mmm-five

11,413 posts

290 months

Sunday 7th March 2021
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I can understand the cyclist (the one in yellow) wanting to check on his compadre, but maybe they should have done his shoulder-check before swerving into the middle of the road.

But, I'd also suggest that motorists should be extra careful around cyclists/pedestrians/children as they're known for doing unexpected things and denying any responsibility.

Luckily there was no contact in this case, so nothing to get all het up about.

anonymous-user

60 months

Sunday 7th March 2021
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Both. The cyclist shouldn't move offside without looking/warning and the driver approached far too quickly.

Ken Figenus

Original Poster:

5,807 posts

123 months

Sunday 7th March 2021
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the tribester said:
The cyclist on the left is stopping to turn back having just seen the cyclist ahead of him come off his bike whilst turning right.

The car driver maybe didn't see that.

Who's right in what??
Yes maybe its more who was in the wrong in almost causing a collision...

TheDrownedApe

1,191 posts

62 months

Sunday 7th March 2021
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As a fellow cyclist...the cyclist

105.4

4,193 posts

77 months

Sunday 7th March 2021
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I ride and I drive, so I’d like to think that I’m unbiased in my assessment.

The cyclist in yellow is at fault 100%.

vikingaero

11,119 posts

175 months

Sunday 7th March 2021
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Both, but more the driver. What if it had been a pothole causing the rubber-necking cyclist to fall. That's why you give 6ft.

[said as a cyclist who hates the Mr Angries, lycra louts and red light jumpers]

carreauchompeur

17,994 posts

210 months

Sunday 7th March 2021
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Hmmm, I’d say mainly cyclist, but the car driver also hasn’t adapted very well to changing conditions!

Disco You

3,692 posts

186 months

Sunday 7th March 2021
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Both. Poor of the cyclist to make a positional change without looking. Poor of the car to be overtaking too close and to have such a high closing speed around the pinch point.

anonymous-user

60 months

Sunday 7th March 2021
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Watching it a couple of times more with my phone in full screen, I'm swaying more toward the car driver taking a lot of responsibility.

He can see the cyclist to his offside fall off, there is plenty of traffic and obstacles around, he is approaching the cyclist to his nearside coinciding with a kerbed island in the centre. He should have been dropping speed immediately.

If you look at the way the driver brakes, it makes me suspect he's been gawping at the cyclist who fell off rather than the one ahead of him and is caught by surprise. Bear in mind he has the benefit of forward vision and should be able to see everything unfold ahead of him.

The cyclist shouldn't move across as he did, however an aware and careful driver should have anticipated events better.

Bill

54,071 posts

261 months

Sunday 7th March 2021
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Disco You said:
Both. Poor of the cyclist to make a positional change without looking. Poor of the car to be overtaking too close and to have such a high closing speed around the pinch point.
This IMO.

Ken Figenus

Original Poster:

5,807 posts

123 months

Sunday 7th March 2021
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I cycle loads too - just come back from a fab 10 mile leisure run.

It seems beyond clear cut for some that the driver was 100% totally at fault though and they are raging. What I see is that the cyclist goes to do an U turn (since his mate washed out his front wheel on that right turn) but went to do it without looking first. This being the 'lifesaver' look as I was taught... I'd apportion 80% cyclist and 20% driver for being a bit quick with things.

The anti car sentiment in some cyclists on Twitter is something else - crazy statements like they wouldn't need helmets if drivers drove better. Quite a (sad) revelation to mefrown

Edited by Ken Figenus on Sunday 7th March 16:19

wazztie16

1,517 posts

137 months

Sunday 7th March 2021
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Car driver more in the wrong, but cyclist didn't help himself.

OverSteery

3,659 posts

237 months

Sunday 7th March 2021
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highway code said:
give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders at least as much room as you would when overtaking a car (see Rules 211 to 213 and 214 to 215).

212
When passing motorcyclists and cyclists, give them plenty of room (see Rules 162 to 167). If they look over their shoulder it could mean that they intend to pull out, turn right or change direction. Give them time and space to do so.

213
Motorcyclists and cyclists may suddenly need to avoid uneven road surfaces and obstacles such as drain covers or oily, wet or icy patches on the road. Give them plenty of room and pay particular attention to any sudden change of direction they may have to make.
Driver didn't give much room
Driver didn't ease off when the cyclist looked over his shoulder.

I am not a cyclist, but I see so many car drivers bully other road users who are not sitting in a crash cage with air bags.


bigandclever

13,934 posts

244 months

Sunday 7th March 2021
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There must be other ste on Twitter more recent than 5 years ago to get het up about.

NikBartlett

625 posts

87 months

Sunday 7th March 2021
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Driver 100% as soft and squishy cyclists are considered to be above the law when vs motorists laugh

monthou

4,834 posts

56 months

Sunday 7th March 2021
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As a cyclist / motorcyclist I expect to be given a bit of room. And I'm pretty assertive if I don't get it.
But if I pulled a manouevre as stupid as the one in the video I'd be happy enough with any driver who didn't hit me.
And I'd be putting my hand up to say sorry.

Durzel

12,441 posts

174 months

Sunday 7th March 2021
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Driver ought to have hung back a little more to clear the island to the right of him before starting to make the overtake imo.

The cyclist didn’t do much more than a wobble that you have to anticipate.

I’d say 25/75 myself, with the driver being the one mostly to blame.

Edited by Durzel on Sunday 7th March 17:43