Centre high level brake light MOT rules for re-test
Discussion
Hi,
I am aware that presenting a vehicle for MOT with the centre high level brake light disconnected would not cause the vehicle to fail the test.
Equally, I am also aware that presenting it with a partially working light (dim & flickering) is a reason for it to fail.
My question is this: having presented it with a partially working light and thus it failing, if the vehicle is returned for a re-test with the light now disconnected is that grounds to fail it again or should it now pass ?
I was told by a test centre who failed the vehicle on said defective brake light that if I returned it with it disconnected they would fail it again (hence my reason for asking here).
Many thanks,
John
I am aware that presenting a vehicle for MOT with the centre high level brake light disconnected would not cause the vehicle to fail the test.
Equally, I am also aware that presenting it with a partially working light (dim & flickering) is a reason for it to fail.
My question is this: having presented it with a partially working light and thus it failing, if the vehicle is returned for a re-test with the light now disconnected is that grounds to fail it again or should it now pass ?
I was told by a test centre who failed the vehicle on said defective brake light that if I returned it with it disconnected they would fail it again (hence my reason for asking here).
Many thanks,
John
I presume its an LED ?
The problem is you presented it with it working - albeit half working, returning it with it unplugged the tester knows it worked, where as had it been presented first time unplugged the tester has to give you the benefit of the doubt.
If the test center have told you its still going to fail then you have two options, replace it or leave it disconnected and take it elsewhere for a new mot.
The problem is you presented it with it working - albeit half working, returning it with it unplugged the tester knows it worked, where as had it been presented first time unplugged the tester has to give you the benefit of the doubt.
If the test center have told you its still going to fail then you have two options, replace it or leave it disconnected and take it elsewhere for a new mot.
It is LED, yes.
I do find it slightly odd that you can get away with it disconnected first time round, but on a re-test it would have to work. Seems somewhat inconsistent.
I guess in theory removing it completely as suggested above would be valid.
The situation was that the test centre was a main dealer. I wanted an opportunity to get the car through the MOT and sort it later at home with a non genuine (ie cheaper) part but was told the only way to get it through that day was to pay them to sort it at main dealer price. I felt robbed and still do.
I do find it slightly odd that you can get away with it disconnected first time round, but on a re-test it would have to work. Seems somewhat inconsistent.
I guess in theory removing it completely as suggested above would be valid.
The situation was that the test centre was a main dealer. I wanted an opportunity to get the car through the MOT and sort it later at home with a non genuine (ie cheaper) part but was told the only way to get it through that day was to pay them to sort it at main dealer price. I felt robbed and still do.
I think this is an area that can be interpreted incorrectly.
Yes it does state in the inspection manual : Additional stop lamps, over and above the obligatory requirements, must be tested. However, if you are not sure that they’re connected, you should give the benefit of the doubt.
However it does not state they should create a fail, just that they should be inspected.
When entering results into the scheme at the end of the test there is a specific mention of this low down in the list that can be missed that states
Non obligatory stop lamp not working- Advisory..
It is buried in the multiple light source section but it states the above so it should be pass and advise
Yes it does state in the inspection manual : Additional stop lamps, over and above the obligatory requirements, must be tested. However, if you are not sure that they’re connected, you should give the benefit of the doubt.
However it does not state they should create a fail, just that they should be inspected.
When entering results into the scheme at the end of the test there is a specific mention of this low down in the list that can be missed that states
Non obligatory stop lamp not working- Advisory..
It is buried in the multiple light source section but it states the above so it should be pass and advise
Athlon said:
I think this is an area that can be interpreted incorrectly.
Yes it does state in the inspection manual : Additional stop lamps, over and above the obligatory requirements, must be tested. However, if you are not sure that they’re connected, you should give the benefit of the doubt.
However it does not state they should create a fail, just that they should be inspected.
When entering results into the scheme at the end of the test there is a specific mention of this low down in the list that can be missed that states
Non obligatory stop lamp not working- Advisory..
It is buried in the multiple light source section but it states the above so it should be pass and advise
Given its already been tested and failed would you pass it on its return if it was disconnectedYes it does state in the inspection manual : Additional stop lamps, over and above the obligatory requirements, must be tested. However, if you are not sure that they’re connected, you should give the benefit of the doubt.
However it does not state they should create a fail, just that they should be inspected.
When entering results into the scheme at the end of the test there is a specific mention of this low down in the list that can be missed that states
Non obligatory stop lamp not working- Advisory..
It is buried in the multiple light source section but it states the above so it should be pass and advise
jradley said:
It failed on 4.3.3(a)(ii)
They said the issue was that it was flickering. If it had been completely dead I would have got away with it, but I think they may have a point, unles it is only the obligatory lamps that have to be steady and proper intensity ?
Surely the high level stop lamp is obligatory, from a certain manufactured date?They said the issue was that it was flickering. If it had been completely dead I would have got away with it, but I think they may have a point, unles it is only the obligatory lamps that have to be steady and proper intensity ?
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=10...
Pica-Pica said:
Surely the high level stop lamp is obligatory, from a certain manufactured date?
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=10...
Nope.https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=10...
Stop lamps are not required on vehicles:
first used before 1 January 1936
that do not have front and rear position lamps, or have such lamps permanently disconnected, painted over or masked that are only used during daylight hours and not used at times of seriously reduced visibility
Vehicles first used on or after 1 January 1971 must have 2 stop lamps, one on each side.
Vehicles first used before 1 January 1971 can be fitted with only one stop lamp. The lamp can be mounted centrally or towards the offside.
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