Scameras save lives ...... or not.

Scameras save lives ...... or not.

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autismuk

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1,529 posts

242 months

Wednesday 21st December 2005
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A young couple died after their car swerved into the path of an on-coming ambulance, when the car in front of them braked to avoid a speed camera, an inquest heard.

Carly Gosnell, 22, and her 23-year-old boyfriend Martin Haywood, both from Dersingham, were travelling along the A149 in Heacham, on the night of July 26.

The inquest, at King's Lynn, heard the driver of an Alpha Romeo, which was travelling ahead of the couple, had slowed near the speed camera at the junction with Ringstead Road.

Matthew McGinn, 24, from Heacham, said he had slowed down and had then felt a bump from behind, which was Miss Gosnell's car. After clipping Mr McGinn's car, it is believed the Clio swerved into the path of an on-coming ambulance, which was travelling towards Hunstanton, the inquest was told.

WildCat

8,369 posts

245 months

Wednesday 21st December 2005
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Sound to me that Clio driver failed to observe traffic ahead. Speed camera was effective in slowing one driver but not the other then

I think the coroner's comment und verdict will be interesting.

Tonyrec

3,984 posts

257 months

Thursday 22nd December 2005
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WildCat said:
Sound to me that Clio driver failed to observe traffic ahead. Speed camera was effective in slowing one driver but not the other then

I think the coroner's comment und verdict will be interesting.


Well said Wildy

BliarOut

72,857 posts

241 months

Thursday 22nd December 2005
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However, had the scamera not been there the other driver wouldn't have braked and two people would still be alive. It's all about cause and effect

Tonyrec

3,984 posts

257 months

Thursday 22nd December 2005
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Yes, but what if there had been no traffic coming the other way?

As everyone knows, im NOT a fan of Scameras but i really do find it hard to blame them for another drivers inadequacies.

(Not saying that it applied in this case though)

apache

39,731 posts

286 months

Thursday 22nd December 2005
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Tonyrec said:
Yes, but what if there had been no traffic coming the other way?

As everyone knows, im NOT a fan of Scameras but i really do find it hard to blame them for another drivers inadequacies.

(Not saying that it applied in this case though)



There was a point made on another thread that a driver paying proper attention to traffic (ambulance?) would not be so aware of something that wasn't about to cause him harm. Ergo a possible reason for the late braking. Tentative granted but there's no denying that a camera is a pretty pointless distraction.

Piglet

6,250 posts

257 months

Thursday 22nd December 2005
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Happy Snapper was nearly involved in a motorway pile up on Sunday when all the traffic locked up and started swerving all over the road because there was a Talivan on a motorway bridge. He was far enough back that he had space to react but the over reaction from the cars ahead sounded incredibly dangerous. I think it's back to what we've said before - bad driving kills and that manifests itself in many different was.

happy snapper

294 posts

238 months

Thursday 22nd December 2005
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autismuk said:
A young couple died after their car swerved into the path of an on-coming ambulance, when the car in front of them braked to avoid a speed camera, an inquest heard.

Carly Gosnell, 22, and her 23-year-old boyfriend Martin Haywood, both from Dersingham, were travelling along the A149 in Heacham, on the night of July 26.

The inquest, at King's Lynn, heard the driver of an Alpha Romeo, which was travelling ahead of the couple, had slowed near the speed camera at the junction with Ringstead Road.

Matthew McGinn, 24, from Heacham, said he had slowed down and had then felt a bump from behind, which was Miss Gosnell's car. After clipping Mr McGinn's car, it is believed the Clio swerved into the path of an on-coming ambulance, which was travelling towards Hunstanton, the inquest was told.


I had a similar thing happen on the M4 last Sunday was driving my mother to Bristol when suddenly going round a long left bend, all the tts in the right lane brake and swerve left taking every gap there is. I looked up the road there’s a mobile camera van on a bridge… IF that improves safety please lets have unlimited speed limits on motorways….

Piglet

6,250 posts

257 months

Thursday 22nd December 2005
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happy snapper said:
autismuk said:
stuff


what I said


I've just told your story above.....see I said you never listen to a word that I say

happy snapper

294 posts

238 months

Thursday 22nd December 2005
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Piglet said:
happy snapper said:
autismuk said:
stuff


what I said


I've just told your story above.....see I said you never listen to a word that I say


That's because you wrote it and didnt say it... Anyway shouldn't you be working not playing on the internet.

Piglet

6,250 posts

257 months

Thursday 22nd December 2005
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happy snapper said:
Piglet said:
happy snapper said:
autismuk said:
stuff


what I said


I've just told your story above.....see I said you never listen to a word that I say


That's because you wrote it and didnt say it... Anyway shouldn't you be working not playing on the internet.


Playing!!!! This is valuable legal research!!!

8Pack

5,182 posts

242 months

Saturday 24th December 2005
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AND....had there been an accident, you could bet your bottom penny that the "Talivan" would have disappeared faster than Dr Who's Tardis.......

Time that we started logging the Bastids against accident records........

nonegreen

7,803 posts

272 months

Saturday 24th December 2005
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Murder death Kil cameras erected by murderers. Whne are they going to be arrested and charged?

8Pack

5,182 posts

242 months

Saturday 24th December 2005
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Not this side of Armagedon I fear Nonners........

Teflon Talivans I fear......

davidra

271 posts

239 months

Saturday 24th December 2005
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From a Daily Mail story yesterday p25 about a guy who ran over a cat 10 times:

"I glanced up from my speedometer and the cat was there."

.. as if staring at the speedo was his normal mode of driving and he broke his concentration on the needle only for a moment!

catso

14,814 posts

269 months

Saturday 24th December 2005
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Piglet said:
bad driving kills


And Scameras, Talivans and 'Speed kills' does nothing to address this.

Piglet

6,250 posts

257 months

Saturday 24th December 2005
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catso said:
Piglet said:
bad driving kills


And Scameras, Talivans and 'Speed kills' does nothing to address this.


Yes - my point exactly!