illegal Road Sign!

[matchless]

the following sign is aparrently illegal as Metric only Weights and Measurements on Road Signs are not permitted, the referred to "T" is in Tonnes a Metric Measurement and as no Imperial equivalent is shewn, this makes it illegal

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=main/7

[tvrgit]

expert in Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions then?

Under the Regulations (Schedule 16 if you have one handy) dimensions (height or width) have to be in imperial (with metric as well as an option) but weights can be metric only.

Dia 622.1a (the one you show in the link) is a prescribed and approved sign, therefore legal.

[matchless]

nope!

[7db]

Like tvrgit said. Sign 622.1A allows a metric weight only.

Notice also S17 (10) allows a variation to use "t" instead of "T" for "tonnes".

[matchless]

Tonnes is totally meaningless to one brought up in Imperial Only Weights and Measures!, Carte Blanche to ignore then obviously!

[hugoagogo]

and the internet is totally meaningless to one brought up reading teletext!

[matchless]

whats teletext?

for the brain dead is it?

[GreenV8S]

matchless said:

the following sign is aparrently illegal as Metric only Weights and Measurements on Road Signs are not permitted, the referred to "T" is in Tonnes a Metric Measurement and as no Imperial equivalent is shewn, this makes it illegal

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=main/7

Are you claiming that a ton isn't an imperial unit of weight?

[Einion Yrth]

GreenV8S said:

matchless said:

the following sign is aparrently illegal as Metric only Weights and Measurements on Road Signs are not permitted, the referred to "T" is in Tonnes a Metric Measurement and as no Imperial equivalent is shewn, this makes it illegal

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=main/7

Are you claiming that a ton isn't an imperial unit of weight?

No he's claiming correctly, if irrelevantly, that a ton is not the same as a tonne - pretty close though.

[Dwight Vandriver]

A sign which does not conform can still be used if authorised by Sec of State.

He authorised the Traffic Signs and General Directions 2002 which shows the sign as a Diagram in all its glory.

Sign lawful?

dvd

[puggit]

So it's Labour's fault for not re-writing the rules...

Now where've I heard that before?

[7db]

I don't even understand where the alleged conflict is coming from. It's a maximum weight. What's the problem?

[matchless]

it's a Metric only Road Sign and these are Illegal unless they also shew the Imperial Measurement, if ever you see a Sign Marked in Metric Measurement only it is in fact Illegal

[falcemob]

matchless said:

the referred to "T" is in Tonnes a Metric Measurement and as no Imperial equivalent is shewn, this makes it illegal

You are really showing your age there mate.

[7db]

matchless said:

it's a Metric only Road Sign and these are Illegal unless they also shew the Imperial Measurement, if ever you see a Sign Marked in Metric Measurement only it is in fact Illegal

Says who?

[Dwight Vandriver]

There is a smidgin of truth in what the original post states.

Take warning signs for maximum safe headroom under a bridge. The sign showing the height in imperial units must be used; an additional sign showing the height in metric may be used.

Likewise on the regulatory roundels both imperial/metric may be shown.

dvd

[tvrgit]

Dwight Vandriver said:

There is a smidgin of truth in what the original post states.

Take warning signs for maximum safe headroom under a bridge. The sign showing the height in imperial units must be used; an additional sign showing the height in metric may be used.

Likewise on the regulatory roundels both imperial/metric may be shown.

dvd

Swot I said.

But for weight limits, and particularly for the so-called "illegal" sign in the OP, "T" is the correct, proper, prescribed legal symbol. It does not have to be accompanied by an equivalent imperial measurement. Dem's de rools. Sign is legal.

Of course if there is another law for signs other than the TSRGD then I'd be genuinely interested, I have heard this "urban myth" periodically throughout the last few years and not seen it proved yet. Am not aware either of anybody using it for a successful defence, but I am not a lawyer so don't have access to case law.

[fid]

Don't argue with it, it's for your own good...if you want to drive over a bridge in a tank, be our guest! ...but don't blame the sign if it breaks...

[streaky]

Einion Yrth said:

GreenV8S said:

matchless said:

the following sign is aparrently illegal as Metric only Weights and Measurements on Road Signs are not permitted, the referred to "T" is in Tonnes a Metric Measurement and as no Imperial equivalent is shewn, this makes it illegal

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=main/7

Are you claiming that a ton isn't an imperial unit of weight?

No he's claiming correctly, if irrelevantly, that a ton is not the same as a tonne - pretty close though.

To the Long Ton, not the Short one - Streaky