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After finishing a job in Paddington I cut across Sussex Gardens. As I waited for a gap in the passing traffic I noticed one of those police boards (similar to the ones they put up after a crash, asking for witnesses etc.) which read:
"KERB CRAWLERS FACE A DRIVING BAN"
So, Mr. Sex-seeking-pervy-bloke gets a driving ban for loooking up a bit of brass and gets banned from driving... what will it say on his license...??
Pmsl
"KERB CRAWLERS FACE A DRIVING BAN"
So, Mr. Sex-seeking-pervy-bloke gets a driving ban for loooking up a bit of brass and gets banned from driving... what will it say on his license...??
Pmsl
It is within the powers of the court to disqualify for many varied offences.
The burglar who use vehicles during commission of offences.
The person who obstructs Police at speed enforcement sites.
And yes those who commit the offence of kerb crawling in their vehicles are all examples.
The burglar who use vehicles during commission of offences.
The person who obstructs Police at speed enforcement sites.
And yes those who commit the offence of kerb crawling in their vehicles are all examples.
Yes I'm aware of this trend in the punishment system, but it seems wrong to me that one can lose a driving licence for something that is not really a driving offence. IMHO it is hardly compatible with a decent justice system but we seem to be losing that anyhow, we have been for quite some time.
BTW hello Von - been on holiday?
Best wishes all,
Dave.
BTW hello Von - been on holiday?
Best wishes all,
Dave.
TripleS said:
Yes I'm aware of this trend in the punishment system, but it seems wrong to me that one can lose a driving licence for something that is not really a driving offence. IMHO it is hardly compatible with a decent justice system but we seem to be losing that anyhow, we have been for quite some time.
BTW hello Von - been on holiday?
Best wishes all,
Dave.
BTW hello Von - been on holiday?
Best wishes all,
Dave.
Hello, a short break
All of the offences I mentioned were either connected with driving offences or the vehicle was used in committing the offence.
speedchick said:
Ok, slightly off on a tangent, but how can they justify taking the licence off a father that doesn't pay the CSA? on what grounds is this actually allowable?
For the offences I outlined above the power would come from the Powers of Criminal Courts (Sentencing) Act 2000.
For disqualification as a result of non payment of maintenance the power emanates from the Child Support Act 1991. It is used as a lever to enforce maintenance payments on those who can pay but wilfully will not.
If you are disqualified as a result & then pay, the disqualification can be removed.
The other sanction that can used in the same vein to enforce payment is prison.
They are ultimate sanctions that can be avoided if the perosn involved adheres to (as they are able to) the court order.
Edited by vonhosen on Sunday 6th August 10:14
>>>>>So, Mr. Sex-seeking-pervy-bloke gets a driving ban for loooking up a bit of brass and gets banned from driving... what will it say on his license...?? <<<<<
Good point Glassman.
Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988 not involved so under the Acts quoted by VH disqualification will not carry an endorsement so how do they mark up. The Licence under a disqualification presumably will be confiscated. Has no relevance to a driving offence for DQ1 purposes.
Is the disqualification a revokation of the Licence?
I dunno, but feel i should do.....help.
dvd
Good point Glassman.
Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988 not involved so under the Acts quoted by VH disqualification will not carry an endorsement so how do they mark up. The Licence under a disqualification presumably will be confiscated. Has no relevance to a driving offence for DQ1 purposes.
Is the disqualification a revokation of the Licence?
I dunno, but feel i should do.....help.
dvd
Dwight Vandriver said:
>>>>>So, Mr. Sex-seeking-pervy-bloke gets a driving ban for loooking up a bit of brass and gets banned from driving... what will it say on his license...?? <<<<<
Good point Glassman.
Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988 not involved so under the Acts quoted by VH disqualification will not carry an endorsement so how do they mark up. The Licence under a disqualification presumably will be confiscated. Has no relevance to a driving offence for DQ1 purposes.
Is the disqualification a revokation of the Licence?
I dunno, but feel i should do.....help.
dvd
Good point Glassman.
Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988 not involved so under the Acts quoted by VH disqualification will not carry an endorsement so how do they mark up. The Licence under a disqualification presumably will be confiscated. Has no relevance to a driving offence for DQ1 purposes.
Is the disqualification a revokation of the Licence?
I dunno, but feel i should do.....help.
dvd
It's not a revokation, it's a disqualification.
This may help a little
Edited by vonhosen on Sunday 6th August 10:42
Takes extremely large wooden spoon off wall, winds up sleeves, not enough hair these days to emulate the G Rhodes chef person but starts stirring away anyway.
Examining the link provided by VH we have in paras 13 & 14.
Abandoned vehicles
13. Abandoning a vehicle is an offence under Section 2 of the Refuse Disposal (Amenity) Act 1978. If an end of life vehicle is abandoned, it can be classified as "hazardous waste" and the abandonment is an offence under Section 33 of the Environmental Protection Act 1990.
14. Those abandoning a vehicle are showing their disregard for the regulations related to the ownership and use of motor vehicles. Disqualification may well be looked upon as a much needed deterrent in this area of criminal activity and an appropriate sanction.
So can Mr Pagano in this thread be under threat of disqualification due to council muppetry?
There are similar threads to be found within PH, people going on holiday to find P&J vandalised and towed away and crushed without a council check. Likewise at risk of disqual? Even if only technically or otherwise?
Shurely not Shirley?
As someone says in The Sunday Times today, 'common sense isn't very common any more.'
Examining the link provided by VH we have in paras 13 & 14.
Abandoned vehicles
13. Abandoning a vehicle is an offence under Section 2 of the Refuse Disposal (Amenity) Act 1978. If an end of life vehicle is abandoned, it can be classified as "hazardous waste" and the abandonment is an offence under Section 33 of the Environmental Protection Act 1990.
14. Those abandoning a vehicle are showing their disregard for the regulations related to the ownership and use of motor vehicles. Disqualification may well be looked upon as a much needed deterrent in this area of criminal activity and an appropriate sanction.
So can Mr Pagano in this thread be under threat of disqualification due to council muppetry?
There are similar threads to be found within PH, people going on holiday to find P&J vandalised and towed away and crushed without a council check. Likewise at risk of disqual? Even if only technically or otherwise?
Shurely not Shirley?
As someone says in The Sunday Times today, 'common sense isn't very common any more.'
vonhosen said:
It is used as a lever to enforce maintenance payments ...
They are ultimate sanctions that can be avoided if the perosn involved adheres
They are ultimate sanctions that can be avoided if the perosn involved adheres
Clearly the driving license is being seen as something that has tangible value and just another asset that the courts can use to penalise us, without even a pretext that holder of the license is in any way unsafe or unfit to drive. It's disgracefull imo for people to be deprived of their legal right to drive for reasons unrelated to their safety or competance as a driver.
GreenV8S said:
vonhosen said:
It is used as a lever to enforce maintenance payments ...
They are ultimate sanctions that can be avoided if the perosn involved adheres
They are ultimate sanctions that can be avoided if the perosn involved adheres
Clearly the driving license is being seen as something that has tangible value and just another asset that the courts can use to penalise us, without even a pretext that holder of the license is in any way unsafe or unfit to drive. It's disgracefull imo for people to be deprived of their legal right to drive for reasons unrelated to their safety or competance as a driver.
If they can take your liberty for such reasons, then taking your licence is of little consequence in such matters IMHO.
Not being picky here - but surely this person ist at least not speeding. 
Not that I condone kerb crawling ...only thing it would do would stop him doing this in a car - suppose . Nothing to stop him from doing so on a bicycle (case in Manchester papers - bloke on a bike.. he ended up on community service)
But do not see why banning from driving should be acceptable as punishment for non-traffic offences when there are other deterrents available?
Not that I condone kerb crawling ...only thing it would do would stop him doing this in a car - suppose . Nothing to stop him from doing so on a bicycle (case in Manchester papers - bloke on a bike.. he ended up on community service)
But do not see why banning from driving should be acceptable as punishment for non-traffic offences when there are other deterrents available?
vonhosen said:
If they can take your liberty for such reasons, then taking your licence is of little consequence in such matters IMHO.
I strongly disagree. Putting somebody in jail is hopefully a last resort and reserved for people who are a threat to society or have committed a serious crime.
Taking away somebody's driving license is a much lesser punishment, but still has a very big impact on somebody who depends on their ability to drive. This is probably more harmful than a hefty fine, since the fine doesn't stop you working, driving to visit family and friends, going to the shops and so on. Losing your license a very big consequence, and also something that can be done quite cheaply. To allow this to be used just as a way to punish somebody for minor offenses I think is disgraceful. I think people should be entitled to drive as long as they do it safely and competantly, it should not be viewed as a privilege to be taken away if you do anything naughty.
GreenV8S said:
vonhosen said:
If they can take your liberty for such reasons, then taking your licence is of little consequence in such matters IMHO.
I strongly disagree. Putting somebody in jail is hopefully a last resort and reserved for people who are a threat to society or have committed a serious crime.
Taking away somebody's driving license is a much lesser punishment, but still has a very big impact on somebody who depends on their ability to drive. This is probably more harmful than a hefty fine, since the fine doesn't stop you working, driving to visit family and friends, going to the shops and so on. Losing your license a very big consequence, and also something that can be done quite cheaply. To allow this to be used just as a way to punish somebody for minor offenses I think is disgraceful. I think people should be entitled to drive as long as they do it safely and competantly, it should not be viewed as a privilege to be taken away if you do anything naughty.
But you can go to prison for maintenance non payment, you don't have to be a threat to society, it's just one up from disqualification for non payment.
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