Talivan on A24 Mickleham stretch
Discussion
Just received my NIP for an alleged 65 in a 50.
1) I doubt I was doing 65; I have GPS verified my car's speedo and it reads about 4 mph above actual speed at 50-70. When I saw the van I was doing an indicated 60-62.
2) the van was positioned pointing at the traffic going northbound, just AFTER a bend.
what are my chances of arguing against the Surrey Safety Camera Partnership? Anyone got any experience? Should I just bend over and take the 3 points?
cheers
jaker
1) I doubt I was doing 65; I have GPS verified my car's speedo and it reads about 4 mph above actual speed at 50-70. When I saw the van I was doing an indicated 60-62.
2) the van was positioned pointing at the traffic going northbound, just AFTER a bend.
what are my chances of arguing against the Surrey Safety Camera Partnership? Anyone got any experience? Should I just bend over and take the 3 points?
cheers
jaker
jaker said:
2) the van was positioned pointing at the traffic going northbound, just AFTER a bend.
If that's the site I'm thinking of, it's an evil location. Van hides round a bend, not only just after a bend but also just after a fixed Gatso. Drivers slow for the Gatso, pass it, breathe a sigh of relief then speed up again and... snap.
But hold on.
Isn't the act of putting one Gatso in place enough to turn an accident blackspot into a sunshine hollow of health and happiness, where asboid teenagers can wander into the road without looking and every driver passes by safely, legally and attentively, with a respectful salute to the watchful yellow sentinel?
So why the van?
jaker said:
I think I am gonna get me one of them radar detector thingys.
Which is the best one for the Scamera vans?
Which is the best one for the Scamera vans?
I have a feeling only GPS is legal now.
The PocketGPSWorld database I have on my TomTom picked up both the fixed Gatso and the mobile site there - and also warns of traffic light cameras - excellent on dual carriageways to let you know there's a possible queue up ahead.
The downside is it goes off for every site regardless of whether the van is in place or not.
I've still seen it miss a few cameras on features like roadworks and the like, so (with a nod to vonhosen and the fact that a limit might be there for a reason) it's not carte blanche to speed anywhere where it's not going off without keeping your eyes open, as many (mostly non-enthusiast) drivers seem to believe. I imagine anything like Road Angel would be the same.
I use mine more as an alert to cameras I might have missed in my road observation; the fact it tells you what the limit is also helps on roads which are poorly signposted and have a limit out of line with my expectations of what is a safe speed.
Personally, if your car offers a good (near instruments, away from windscreen) place to put one, I would lean towards a navigation system rather than a pure detector, partly for the utility but also because not every hazard has a camera associated with it, and it can be great at warning you of hidden junctions and the like on unfamiliar roads.
Edited by Timberwolf on Wednesday 9th August 12:35
vonhosen said:
Chances are they saw you before you saw them though.
Do the operators of Talivans need to form a prior opinion of excess speed, or are they in effect just looking after a fixed camera, which is subject to the same rules as a Gastso or similar? Because if they don't then as soon as you see the van it's already too late!
Timberwolf said:
So why the van?
I think the idea is to promote the perception that a van could be anywhere, so nowhere is safe to speed.On that road there was a 60 limit which was fine for the first 100 years or so of motoring. It was then lowered to 50 because of a couple of crashes on one bend, one of which was an elderly driver who was thought to have had a heart attack and another accident which wasn't proven to have anything to do with the speed of the vehicle.
Because it is so safe to travel at 60 and above on that dual carriageway, it would seem that the road has been seen as a great revenue earner given the regular stealth cameras manned by the souless members of society.
Because it is so safe to travel at 60 and above on that dual carriageway, it would seem that the road has been seen as a great revenue earner given the regular stealth cameras manned by the souless members of society.
There's a funny dual carriageway bypass me that was designed and built for national speed limit, but on which they keep dropping the limit and showing up with the Talivan because it has a high number of severe accidents.
Unfortunately they don't seem to have realised (or don't seem to care) that, even though the limit is now 50mph, the accidents are happening to boy racers in Nova SRi's, doing 120mph in the middle of the night, as was the case long before the limits were dropped.
It's not the people that drive at the limit that have the crashes! So what's the point in altering it??
Unfortunately they don't seem to have realised (or don't seem to care) that, even though the limit is now 50mph, the accidents are happening to boy racers in Nova SRi's, doing 120mph in the middle of the night, as was the case long before the limits were dropped.
It's not the people that drive at the limit that have the crashes! So what's the point in altering it??
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