Child Fine for Train Ticket
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Anyone know how it works, my daughter turned 16 the other week but went on the train on a childs ticket, however she is now classed as an adult for some reason, can't vote get married or buy alcohol.
They demand ID which what 15 yr old would have! They have sent £33 pound, who is liable?
They demand ID which what 15 yr old would have! They have sent £33 pound, who is liable?
Do you have the equivalent of a Young Scot Card where you are?
https://young.scot/the-young-scot-card/
With us you see younger folk using them on public transport
https://young.scot/the-young-scot-card/
With us you see younger folk using them on public transport
James.Pond said:
Anyone know how it works, my daughter turned 16 the other week but went on the train on a childs ticket, however she is now classed as an adult for some reason, can't vote get married or buy alcohol.
They demand ID which what 15 yr old would have! They have sent £33 pound, who is liable?
Which train company and which child ticket? Most (possibly all?) companies organise their child fares into age groups - under 5, 5-15 & 16-18 https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/on-the-train/train-...They demand ID which what 15 yr old would have! They have sent £33 pound, who is liable?
It isn't clear from what you're written, was she 15 or 16 when she was challenged? If she was 15 and had the correct ticket then I would just send a copy of her birth certificate. If she was 16 and on the wrong ticket then she's been caught, I'd pay the fine and put it down to experience.
kiethton said:
Struggle to see how a fine is enforceable against a child tbh
On what basis are you struggling? There is no exceptions based on age in https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2018/366/conte... . If these fines weren't enforcable I would be very surprised if they hadn't been legally challenged by now. Aside from that, I'm pretty sure children are considered legally responsible for their actions from the age of 10 in England.James.Pond said:
Anyone know how it works, my daughter turned 16 the other week but went on the train on a childs ticket, however she is now classed as an adult for some reason, can't vote get married or buy alcohol.
They demand ID which what 15 yr old would have! They have sent £33 pound, who is liable?
Does not make any sense.Why have they sent £33 ?They demand ID which what 15 yr old would have! They have sent £33 pound, who is liable?
Ham_and_Jam said:
Come on OP we all did this as kids, try and get cheaper kids tickets for as long as we could. You got caught, you koffed up.
I can't remember why, but I once had cause to use the bus whilst wearing my bike jacket and clutching my motorbike helmet. Tried for a half and I think the bus driver looked me up and down, gave me a withering look, and suggested I might want a full price ticket!
Ham_and_Jam said:
Come on OP we all did this as kids, try and get cheaper kids tickets for as long as we could. You got caught, you koffed up.
I suppose the only difference was in the old days you didn t get these ridiculous fines, sign of the times.
One of my mates was the opposite. He was the first of our group to turn 16 and took great delight in asking for an adult train ticket when everyone else was still 15 I suppose the only difference was in the old days you didn t get these ridiculous fines, sign of the times.
Post on the Disputes and Prosecutions sub forum of railforums.co.uk
https://www.railforums.co.uk/forums/disputes-prose...
Loads of very helpful (and not always judgemental) people on there.
SD.
https://www.railforums.co.uk/forums/disputes-prose...
Loads of very helpful (and not always judgemental) people on there.
SD.
shed driver said:
Post on the Disputes and Prosecutions sub forum of railforums.co.uk
https://www.railforums.co.uk/forums/disputes-prose...
Loads of very helpful (and not always judgemental) people on there.
SD.
Exactly. Best place to ask as there are a lot of *real* experts on there.https://www.railforums.co.uk/forums/disputes-prose...
Loads of very helpful (and not always judgemental) people on there.
SD.
kestral said:
James.Pond said:
Anyone know how it works, my daughter turned 16 the other week but went on the train on a childs ticket, however she is now classed as an adult for some reason, can't vote get married or buy alcohol.
They demand ID which what 15 yr old would have! They have sent £33 pound, who is liable?
Does not make any sense.Why have they sent £33 ?They demand ID which what 15 yr old would have! They have sent £33 pound, who is liable?
ralphrj said:
James.Pond said:
who is liable?
The 16 year old that bought a ticket that was only valid for people aged between 5 and 15.If the child bought their own ticket then it is on their shoulders to take responsibility for the fine. However, if an adult bought the tickets and the child had a reasonable expectation that the correct ticket had been bought then potentially the adult would carry the can. But I suspect that the adult ends up paying in either scenario.
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