Up to 24hrs parking
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Parked in Pershore St Birmingham Car Park at 5.45PM and when I came back the next morning at 11.30 am there was a charge notice on the windscreen saying I had overstayed. I then noticed that the ticket that I put on the windscreen said 10.01 am expires. No point in appealing this I suppose, I honestly thought I had paid for 24 hrs parking, not up to 24 hrs.
Every point in appealing it, I take it this is a private car park, first of all wait for the notice to keeper then do a simple soft appeal to the parking company along the lines of "I thought it was 24 hr parking and I did'nt see the signs" then when its rejected send an appeal to POPLA stating "charge is not a pre estimate of loss, no contract and no authority for parking company" etc. follow the appeals on pepipoo.com.
You will win and feel happy it has cost them, £27+vat for POPLA along with various other expenses.
You will win and feel happy it has cost them, £27+vat for POPLA along with various other expenses.
NH1 said:
Every point in appealing it, I take it this is a private car park, first of all wait for the notice to keeper then do a simple soft appeal to the parking company along the lines of "I thought it was 24 hr parking and I did'nt see the signs" then when its rejected send an appeal to POPLA stating "charge is not a pre estimate of loss, no contract and no authority for parking company" etc. follow the appeals on pepipoo.com.
You will win and feel happy it has cost them, £27+vat for POPLA along with various other expenses.
How does any of that relate to the fact OP made a simple mistake and didn't put enough money in the machine? His ticket even had the expiration time on it. What does he have to appeal against?You will win and feel happy it has cost them, £27+vat for POPLA along with various other expenses.
PurpleMoonlight said:
majordad said:
I honestly thought I had paid for 24 hrs parking, not up to 24 hrs.
There is no difference.Does up to 24hrs mean:
a/ a period of not more than 24 hours starting from the time the parking ticket is purchased.
or
b/ From the moment ticket is purchased until 24:00 hours (midnight)that day.
?
Yes definitely appeal, if that's what the sign actually says then the wording is pretty ambiguous.
mikeveal said:
Pub quiz..
Does up to 24hrs mean:
a/ a period of not more than 24 hours starting from the time the parking ticket is purchased.
or
b/ From the moment ticket is purchased until 24:00 hours (midnight)that day.
?
Yes definitely appeal, if that's what the sign actually says then the wording is pretty ambiguous.
In this case, as the car park has a overnight rate among its charging structure, I would say a/.Does up to 24hrs mean:
a/ a period of not more than 24 hours starting from the time the parking ticket is purchased.
or
b/ From the moment ticket is purchased until 24:00 hours (midnight)that day.
?
Yes definitely appeal, if that's what the sign actually says then the wording is pretty ambiguous.
Centurion07 said:
NH1 said:
Every point in appealing it, I take it this is a private car park, first of all wait for the notice to keeper then do a simple soft appeal to the parking company along the lines of "I thought it was 24 hr parking and I did'nt see the signs" then when its rejected send an appeal to POPLA stating "charge is not a pre estimate of loss, no contract and no authority for parking company" etc. follow the appeals on pepipoo.com.
You will win and feel happy it has cost them, £27+vat for POPLA along with various other expenses.
How does any of that relate to the fact OP made a simple mistake and didn't put enough money in the machine? His ticket even had the expiration time on it. What does he have to appeal against?You will win and feel happy it has cost them, £27+vat for POPLA along with various other expenses.
That's strange, because according to this there is no £3.80 parking rate.
http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/cs/Satellite?c=Page&a...
Is the price paid printed on the ticket?
http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/cs/Satellite?c=Page&a...
Is the price paid printed on the ticket?
NH1 said:
Centurion07 said:
NH1 said:
Every point in appealing it, I take it this is a private car park, first of all wait for the notice to keeper then do a simple soft appeal to the parking company along the lines of "I thought it was 24 hr parking and I did'nt see the signs" then when its rejected send an appeal to POPLA stating "charge is not a pre estimate of loss, no contract and no authority for parking company" etc. follow the appeals on pepipoo.com.
You will win and feel happy it has cost them, £27+vat for POPLA along with various other expenses.
How does any of that relate to the fact OP made a simple mistake and didn't put enough money in the machine? His ticket even had the expiration time on it. What does he have to appeal against?You will win and feel happy it has cost them, £27+vat for POPLA along with various other expenses.
Centurion07 said:
NH1 said:
Centurion07 said:
NH1 said:
Every point in appealing it, I take it this is a private car park, first of all wait for the notice to keeper then do a simple soft appeal to the parking company along the lines of "I thought it was 24 hr parking and I did'nt see the signs" then when its rejected send an appeal to POPLA stating "charge is not a pre estimate of loss, no contract and no authority for parking company" etc. follow the appeals on pepipoo.com.
You will win and feel happy it has cost them, £27+vat for POPLA along with various other expenses.
How does any of that relate to the fact OP made a simple mistake and didn't put enough money in the machine? His ticket even had the expiration time on it. What does he have to appeal against?You will win and feel happy it has cost them, £27+vat for POPLA along with various other expenses.
Even if you get a charge notice when you have done everything 100% by the book, even if the PAs photo clearly shows an in date and valid ticket in the windscreen when they say there was non present, you use the GPEOL argument and you win.
I don't think any appeal to the parking company itself will win no matter what the reason so IMHO it will progress to POPLA anyway.
NH1 said:
Centurion07 said:
NH1 said:
Centurion07 said:
NH1 said:
Every point in appealing it, I take it this is a private car park, first of all wait for the notice to keeper then do a simple soft appeal to the parking company along the lines of "I thought it was 24 hr parking and I did'nt see the signs" then when its rejected send an appeal to POPLA stating "charge is not a pre estimate of loss, no contract and no authority for parking company" etc. follow the appeals on pepipoo.com.
You will win and feel happy it has cost them, £27+vat for POPLA along with various other expenses.
How does any of that relate to the fact OP made a simple mistake and didn't put enough money in the machine? His ticket even had the expiration time on it. What does he have to appeal against?You will win and feel happy it has cost them, £27+vat for POPLA along with various other expenses.
Even if you get a charge notice when you have done everything 100% by the book, even if the PAs photo clearly shows an in date and valid ticket in the windscreen when they say there was non present, you use the GPEOL argument and you win.
I don't think any appeal to the parking company itself will win no matter what the reason so IMHO it will progress to POPLA anyway.
PurpleMoonlight said:
That's strange, because according to this there is no £3.80 parking rate.
http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/cs/Satellite?c=Page&a...
Is the price paid printed on the ticket?
OTOH, the PDF linked to from http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/carparkmap and dated January 2014 does show a £3.80 rate for the Pershore Street car park, as payment for "More than 6 hours and Up to 24 hours" of parking. http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/cs/Satellite?c=Page&a...
Is the price paid printed on the ticket?
This PDF also mentions an evening rate of £3.00 for parking between 18:00 and 09:00 the following day - I wonder if the ticket machine code is correctly handling the recent changeover to BST, because it seems slightly coincidental that the OP was given a ticket with an expiry time of 10:01, which sounds a lot like the expiry time for one of these evening tickets if 1 hour was erroneously added (I'm guessing that a ticket issued for parking between 18:00 and 09:00 would normally be expected to show an expiry time of 09:01 rather than 09:00), and which isn't a valid expiry time for a parking session starting at 17:45 no matter how much was paid.
OP, does the ticket show the time it was issued and how much you were charged for the parking session?
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