B+E test trailer length
Discussion
Howitzer said:
Hi all,
I am going to book my B+E trailer test and one question has me baffled. It asks for the vehicle length for the test so the examiner can arrange the cones etc. Is this the total vehicle length plus trailer? I will be borrowing a trailer so need to know.
Dave!
Total length from front of vehicle to rearmost point of trailerI am going to book my B+E trailer test and one question has me baffled. It asks for the vehicle length for the test so the examiner can arrange the cones etc. Is this the total vehicle length plus trailer? I will be borrowing a trailer so need to know.
Dave!
Here is all you need to know ..... please ensure you check out all the links
The B+E test
No medical or theory test required
Read a number plate from a certain distance
VIDEO - Show Me Tell Me Questions = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqw6Ua3kmFc&fea... - usually 5
The next three can be in any order:-
VIDEO - Reversing Exercise = http://www.drivesafedriving.co.uk/b_e_rev_movie.ht... - done in test centre grounds if test conducted from practical test centre - some tests are now being done from training school grounds
DSA REVERSING TEST AREA DIAGRAM = https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
VIDEO - Uncouple/couple up = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao_5KOe8dGg&fea... - done in test centre grounds if test conducted from practical test centre - some tests are now being done from training school grounds
One hour road drive - includes the independent drive and is done virtually the same as the basic car test
The trailer must now be loaded with 600 kgs of sand bags or a 1000 kgs water IBC for the test so most companies are now training with that weight in the trailer = https://www.gov.uk/new-laden-testing-rules-for-dri...
Well explained here = http://www.trailertraining-wales.co.uk/test.html
DISCLAIMER - I have no connection to any companies which may be featured in those videos
This is interesting BUT NOT RECOMMENDED – a B licence towing set up can be presented for the B+E test but L plates must be used for the test that means you can train yourself, go to test by yourself, fit L plates, do the test, then, pass or fail, remove L plates and drive away by yourself.
DSA B+E TEST AND VEHICLE/TRAILER REQUIREMENTS = http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/DriverLicensi...
Remember that the required 600 kgs of sand bags or 1 x 1000 IBC filled with water will be required in the trailer and the load must be secure.
SUPERVISING A B+E LEARNER
In April 2010 new rules were introduced for those supervising certain learner drivers but they only affected those supervising VOCATIONAL categories such as C1 C1+E D1 & D1+E where the supervising driver had those categories given to them for free when they passed a pre 1997 car test.
They do not affect those with a pre 1997 B+E licence who wish to supervise a B+E learner.
All B licence holders have B+E provisional on the paper part of their licence and can tow an empty or loaded trailer on all roads including motorways.
The usual rules apply when a learner is driving -
The supervising driver must be aged over 21
The supervising driver must have held a B+E licence for at least 3 years
L plates must be fitted to the front of the vehicle and the rear of the trailer
Correct insurance for a B+E learner
The supervising driver does not need to be insured unless they are driving
Quick question to the masses as I might need to do my B+E test to haul a boat around in the near future, tried looking a little online but nothing came up instantly...
If you have a full manual B license, but carry out the B+E test in an automatic vehicle, does your B+E entitlement come with any restrictions?
If you have a full manual B license, but carry out the B+E test in an automatic vehicle, does your B+E entitlement come with any restrictions?
the_lone_wolf said:
Quick question to the masses as I might need to do my B+E test to haul a boat around in the near future, tried looking a little online but nothing came up instantly...
If you have a full manual B license, but carry out the B+E test in an automatic vehicle, does your B+E entitlement come with any restrictions?
Yes, it'll be an auto only licence, where as with any of the other vocational licences you'd get a full manual licence following a test in an auto (f you have a full manual B licence).If you have a full manual B license, but carry out the B+E test in an automatic vehicle, does your B+E entitlement come with any restrictions?
vonhosen said:
Yes, it'll be an auto only licence, where as with any of the other vocational licences you'd get a full manual licence following a test in an auto (f you have a full manual B licence).
Thanks von, what utter f*ckwittery...I only ask because the only car I own with a towbar is an automatic, I guess most schools will let you borrow (hire?) a "suitable" vehicle for the test
Not that I've been towing and reversing all manner of trailers (within the confines of the stupid B license) for years - my mum still asks me to park her caravan whenever I'm around for christ's sake but according to the DSA I'm not capable of towing it without trundling it between some cones and paying them a king's ransom...
rewc said:
What relevance to the B+E does 600kg of sand have in say a 750kg MGW trailer? As you can tow a combination with a train weight of 3500kg with a normal B licence why do they not make the test weights more compatible with what B+E drivers are likely to tow?
For the test it must have a minimum real weight of at least 800kg & a MAM of at least 1 tonne.vonhosen said:
For the test it must have a minimum real weight of at least 800kg & a MAM of at least 1 tonne.
But that is far lighter than most trailers towed on a B licence with a normal type car. A 1400kg MAM caravan and a Honda CRV has a train weight of under 3500kg. Surely the BE test should involve a combination where the train weight is over 3500kg as that is what it is going to be used for otherwise why bother?R0G said:
All B licence holders have B+E provisional on the paper part of their licence and can tow an empty or loaded trailer on all roads including motorways.
That is interesting. I was taking my car and trailer to my son's the other day and thought it would be a good opportunity to let him have a bit of experience towing. As most of the journey would involve motorway driving I phoned the local traffic department and asked if he could tow on the motorway whilst being supervised and the answer from the sergeant on duty was a definite "No".Where, on the internet, will it tell me the correct answer?
rewc said:
vonhosen said:
For the test it must have a minimum real weight of at least 800kg & a MAM of at least 1 tonne.
But that is far lighter than most trailers towed on a B licence with a normal type car. A 1400kg MAM caravan and a Honda CRV has a train weight of under 3500kg. Surely the BE test should involve a combination where the train weight is over 3500kg as that is what it is going to be used for otherwise why bother?Clivew said:
R0G said:
All B licence holders have B+E provisional on the paper part of their licence and can tow an empty or loaded trailer on all roads including motorways.
That is interesting. I was taking my car and trailer to my son's the other day and thought it would be a good opportunity to let him have a bit of experience towing. As most of the journey would involve motorway driving I phoned the local traffic department and asked if he could tow on the motorway whilst being supervised and the answer from the sergeant on duty was a definite "No".Where, on the internet, will it tell me the correct answer?
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1996/3053/regul...
Clivew said:
That is interesting. I was taking my car and trailer to my son's the other day and thought it would be a good opportunity to let him have a bit of experience towing. As most of the journey would involve motorway driving I phoned the local traffic department and asked if he could tow on the motorway whilst being supervised and the answer from the sergeant on duty was a definite "No".
Where, on the internet, will it tell me the correct answer?
Does your car + trailer need a BE licence or can it be legally driven by a B licence holder. What is the MAM of the car and the MAM of the trailer? Basically if the trailer has a MAM of 750kg or less then the train weight can be up to 4250kg, if the trailer MAM is over 750kg then the train weight can be up to 3500kg.Where, on the internet, will it tell me the correct answer?
The duty Sergeant was correct as learner drivers cannot drive on the motorway but did your combination require a B+E licence in the first place?
Edited by rewc on Monday 6th October 08:43
vonhosen said:
Most C1+E & C+IE will be towing less than they normally would when on test (a C+E for instance only has to have an 8 tonne load). They are the 'minimum' requirements for test compliance & are a compromise.
That may be true but at least the train weight falls into the category being tested for. It appears to me that you can take the B+E test with a combination that is legal to drive with class B only. For it to have any relevance IMO the train weight whilst under test should be more than 3500kg plus the trailer MAM should be at least half of the towing vehicle MAM. The B+E group is after all for towing larger trailers.There is a lot of misinformation out there and ROG has done a good job of clarifying things. There are many with a vested interest who try to suppress information on what you can tow with a B licence.
Clivew said:
R0G said:
All B licence holders have B+E provisional on the paper part of their licence and can tow an empty or loaded trailer on all roads including motorways.
That is interesting. I was taking my car and trailer to my son's the other day and thought it would be a good opportunity to let him have a bit of experience towing. As most of the journey would involve motorway driving I phoned the local traffic department and asked if he could tow on the motorway whilst being supervised and the answer from the sergeant on duty was a definite "No".Where, on the internet, will it tell me the correct answer?
Ask the cop where it says you cannot? - that is where the question must be asked
Laws are not usually made to tell you what you can do - most are made to tell you what you cannot do
If there was a law which said you cannot be a learner in a B+E on a motorway then it would be there but it is not
You can be a B auto holder and a B+E manual learner on a motorway
You cab be a B auto holder and B manual learner on a motorway
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