Would any Police officers like to keep an eye on this?
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I've started a thread about ringing kits for sale on eBay. In a hope that forum will take a moment to report these to eBay and get them lifted as soon as possible.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
From a legal point of view the ramifications of selling an identity to be used on a stolen vehicle knowingly or not would make the seller an accessory to the theft of the vehicle the identity goes on. The eBay listing and transaction information would be enough evidence to prove this.
Also the DVLAs continuous registration department love it when people scrap a vehicle and don't send the log books off.
A lot of the listings have had the vehicle scrapped but the seller has retained the VIN plates, number plates and log book so scrap yards are still taking vehicles and not issuing certificates of destruction.
Would any officers here be interested in following up any of these listings?
It would be interesting to know your point of view and those of the sellers.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
From a legal point of view the ramifications of selling an identity to be used on a stolen vehicle knowingly or not would make the seller an accessory to the theft of the vehicle the identity goes on. The eBay listing and transaction information would be enough evidence to prove this.
Also the DVLAs continuous registration department love it when people scrap a vehicle and don't send the log books off.
A lot of the listings have had the vehicle scrapped but the seller has retained the VIN plates, number plates and log book so scrap yards are still taking vehicles and not issuing certificates of destruction.
Would any officers here be interested in following up any of these listings?
It would be interesting to know your point of view and those of the sellers.
14-7 said:
Listing removed however I imagine that selling the kits which comprise of blank VIN plates is not in itself illegal. Stamping a VIN number in which does not correspond to the vehicle the plate is attached to is illegal.
These guys are selling log books, and stamped VIN plates for vehicles that have been scrapped. Like this one.....
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MK1-Ford-Cortina-GT-new-...
It's mostly old Fords, Land Rovers and Minis as they are easy to take, easy to ring and there's a lot of demand for them.
When they first appear on the thread it's takes a day or two for eBay to pull the listings. The last two are still up.
The collective weight of the forum members reporting these items does help eBay prioritise.
The chap who's selling documents and VIN plates from Cortinas he's banger raced have very kindly left his phone number on the listing....
07818 075105
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MK1-Ford-Cortina-GT-new-...
New cars are getting harder to take and a lot harder to change the identity so classic theft and ringing is becoming more commonplace. As the classic market is recessionproof it makes economic sense as well. Whenever there's a downturn old cars get lifted. Now scrap yards are supposed to be more diligent with vehicle identities (
as if that's going to happen) and scrap values have dropped (funny how China has an Olympics and scrap hits £200 per Ton, England has the Olympics it's down to the lowest it's been since the early 90's 
) at least the hi-abs literally lifting cars out of gardens straight to the compactor has stopped (at least in my part of the world).
The collective weight of the forum members reporting these items does help eBay prioritise.
The chap who's selling documents and VIN plates from Cortinas he's banger raced have very kindly left his phone number on the listing....
07818 075105
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MK1-Ford-Cortina-GT-new-...
New cars are getting harder to take and a lot harder to change the identity so classic theft and ringing is becoming more commonplace. As the classic market is recessionproof it makes economic sense as well. Whenever there's a downturn old cars get lifted. Now scrap yards are supposed to be more diligent with vehicle identities (
as if that's going to happen) and scrap values have dropped (funny how China has an Olympics and scrap hits £200 per Ton, England has the Olympics it's down to the lowest it's been since the early 90's ) at least the hi-abs literally lifting cars out of gardens straight to the compactor has stopped (at least in my part of the world). Coming from someone called "miniman" I'm suprised by that as Minis are one of the easiest cars to take, ring and move on.
What I'm trying to do is stop people selling vehicle identities to be used on stolen cars, selling vehicle identities to be used on a ropilly put together kit cat to avoid the SVA or changing the identity of a writen off car so an unsuspecting member of the public won't end up with someone elses pride and joy, dead or worse as a result of a Se7en snapping in half due to pish poor welding or ending up with a lemon after paying peach money.
What I'm trying to do is stop people selling vehicle identities to be used on stolen cars, selling vehicle identities to be used on a ropilly put together kit cat to avoid the SVA or changing the identity of a writen off car so an unsuspecting member of the public won't end up with someone elses pride and joy, dead or worse as a result of a Se7en snapping in half due to pish poor welding or ending up with a lemon after paying peach money.
miniman said:
Should be on a "Q" plate in all fairness. 
Buy a cheap 1800 Dolomite and fit parts including the identity from a rusty Sprint. Sell a Sprint for a profit because Sprints are worth a lot more.
What part of that isn't fraud?
It's an 1800 with a Sprint engine not a Sprint.
miniman said:
Tell me this - how is the end result any different than welding in a complete set of new panels and chassis bits to the original body?
Because you are replacing parts with other parts not the whole car. Can you seriously not know the difference or are you joking?
There is restoration and re-shelling, Restorers will use as much of the original vehicle and parts as possible. Re-shellers are just swapping parts from a rusty shell (they can't be arsed to or haven't got the skill to repair) to a less rusty or new shell. It's cheaper, quicker and less effort. For a less rusty shell it should retain the identity of the donor vehicle for a new shell it should be SVA'd and put on either a new or "Q" registration.
Too many re-shelled cars are sold as "fully resored". Re-shells are only worth half the price of a fully restored example (because of the the amount of time, effort, skill and money that goes into a full restoration). I had a look at a "fully restored" Mini a few years ago and it was obviously re-shelled (71 Mini on a mid-80s shell) I told the trader selling the car to jog on and learn advertize properly.
Back on topic this Escort Mexico identity is for sale....
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Escort-Mk1-Mexico-1...
...again it's an easy car to take, big market for and a decent one is worth £15,000-£20,000 so any Devon Police officers want to knock on a door you're more than welcome.
eBay haven't lifted it yet and there's just over a day to go. I was thinking of bidding £1,000,000 and collecting the item in person with some selected members of the RSOC baseball team.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Escort-Mk1-Mexico-1...
...again it's an easy car to take, big market for and a decent one is worth £15,000-£20,000 so any Devon Police officers want to knock on a door you're more than welcome.
eBay haven't lifted it yet and there's just over a day to go. I was thinking of bidding £1,000,000 and collecting the item in person with some selected members of the RSOC baseball team.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Escort-Mk1-Mexico-1...
Ended due to not being available anymore. So the seller either sore sense or sold it outside of eBay.
At least now the listing won't be deleted for a while if it is needed for reference.
Ended due to not being available anymore. So the seller either sore sense or sold it outside of eBay.
At least now the listing won't be deleted for a while if it is needed for reference.
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