WITHOUT CAMERA SIGN BEEN CAUGHT BY MOBILE CAMERA SYSTEM

[ismail.ilgin]

Hi Everyone
I been receive mobile speed camera fine. Before this when i seen this mobile system i called 101 police and report them because there are parked without camera sigh road and also i get confirm its not police car from 101 police line and also confirm by council they didnt send this mobile system to there. Only 1 camera sign 1,1 mile before they parked. From police and council i get confirm by phone and recorded this by phone its UNAUTHORISED by both side. What can i do for that letter? Its been send by central ticket office, gmppas.co.uk.

Anyone have similar problem or knowledge about that?

Thanks

[ismail.ilgin]

HantsRat said:

There is no requirement for a camera sign.

What about this? Is there speed camera since who knows but completely DARK BLUE? Also far as i know trap speed camera against the law as well ?

In 2001 the law was changed so that speed cameras had to be painted yellow to ensure visibility. ... cameras must be visible from 60m away in 40mph or less zones and 100m for all other speed limit zones. signs must only be placed in areas where camera housings are located or where mobile cameras are in operation.

[ismail.ilgin]

FurtiveFreddy said:

Blue camera van:



Blue camera van:



Blue camera van:



Shall I go on?

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

I AM TALKING ABOUT FIXED BLUE CAMERA NOT MOBILE VAN. I DONT CARE ALSO LAW MOBILE VAN COLOUR. BY THE LAW FIXED CAMERAS MUST BE YELLOW.

SHALL I GO ON ?

[ismail.ilgin]

Monkeylegend said:

You can go to court and challenge it based on what you have posted or you can do a speed awareness course if offered or you can pay the fine.

How fast were you going and what was the speed limit?

According to letter 41 mph by 30 road, i do not believe it because i seen this van staying here every week once so i never go speed because i know where they are ! But almost impossible to proof it .

[ismail.ilgin]

eybic said:

That ruling was only for police forces that kept the money from speeding fines although I'm not sure they still have to be painted like that. Suck it up, you were speeding and got caught, if you aren't prepared to accept it then don't speed.

As always stupid answer like you we will seen i guess.

[ismail.ilgin]

FurtiveFreddy said:

Do you understand the difference between the words 'fixed' and 'mobile'?

What kind of question is? Are you dump or you thing everyone is dump except you? What is relative between my question and your stupid answer?

[ismail.ilgin]

HantsRat said:

Your first post you said mobile now you are saying fixed.

Post a streetview link to the fixed camera.

MOBILE VAN PARKED UNDER THE BLUE FIXED CAMERA and sign was 1, 1 behind.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.49906,-2.0624374...


In 2001 the law was changed so that speed cameras had to be painted yellow to ensure visibility. ... cameras must be visible from 60m away in 40mph or less zones and 100m for all other speed limit zones. signs must only be placed in areas where camera housings are located or where mobile cameras are in operation.

[ismail.ilgin]

FurtiveFreddy said:

You remind me of someone... I'm trying to place it...

Can you just let it go and do not respond any stupid things anymore !!!!

[ismail.ilgin]

surveyor_101 said:

OH that's band B offence

4-6 points or 7-28 days ban and a fine of 100% of weekly income.

If they offer FPN or Driver Improvement (unlikely) then take it is my advice.

Fighting this could well turn out to be more expensive as 40 is the threshold for Band A or more minor speeding.

Does your vehicle have a tracker or dash cam to prove the speed is wrong?

i need to get dash cam asap. As i said almost impossible to proof it i am not going on 41 but many times i been pass BLUE FIXED CAMERA around 40 but NEVER PASS when mobile van was there.

[ismail.ilgin]

Also the website they supply for proof of picture , its not working, when i type date, reference number and pin number they give , system says not found it !

My point is not my speed , its not police car, council not sending there, far as i know there is licence has been taken from police or council , how they can send me fine,

NO camera sign
Fixed Camera is blue according to LAW 2001 all speed cameras must be YELLOW,
Again according to law they can place only under the yellow fixed cameras or clear camera sign between FAIR distance which is NOT

So what can i do for that?

Thanks

[ismail.ilgin]

davek_964 said:

I think he's saying :

There was a mobile speed van parked under the camera, and he got caught by the van. He seems to believe that because there is a camera there - and because it's not yellow, and does not have warning signs - that somehow makes the fact that he got caught by a van invalid. Which it clearly isn't.

Especially since - as I mentioned there are no markings on the road. That speed camera clearly isn't functional - which means it doesn't matter what colour it is or what signs there are. (And even if it was functional and camouflaged, and had no signs - that is totally irrelevant when a mobile van got you).

Yes Davek more or less story like that. So as you said mobile cameras can park any where they like and start recording? So where is the law protect us even we speeding or not? Also i knew this mobile parked there everytime and never speeding this road i am %100 sure about that. But i guess cant proof it.

So anyone know who the GMPPAS? Clearly not police? Also some how if i proof they have no licence , spouse to be OFFENCE is INVALID right?

[ismail.ilgin]

joshcowin said:

GMPPAS - https://www.gmppas.co.uk/PAWeb/Portal/Portalish.as... (I googled it, it took 10 seconds to find out who they are)

Its the police, you've been caught speeding, you must now face the consequences!

I thought I wasn't speeding when I went past a van, I was so had to do a speed awareness course!

They are not POLICE as i SAID my first POST, they put police logo on they website but i talked with police its NOT THEIR VAN confirmed by 101 Police line and recorded by phone as a proof.

[ismail.ilgin]

davek_964 said:

So how do you think they persuaded Greater Manchester Police to send you the letter?

Hi Davek as i called 101 police and give number plate number and she hold me a moment and ask the sergeant and confirm its not a police VAN. Letter and website says its a police. So if you are in my place you would believe police on the phone or letter received by them? Its a so much confusing here and someone is lying. I cannot proof my speed but i can proof someone is lying in here. I dont know its usefull for me or not.
Also i am %100 sure wasnt speed 41 because i am using twice this road and know where they are.

[ismail.ilgin]

FurtiveFreddy said:

That seems to have done the trick

I simply ignore all your messages due to stupids responds you made.

[ismail.ilgin]

Monkeylegend said:

Is a little bit of irony there ismail.

Its not Monkey he is giving stupid answer not me! I get confused because of police told me its not a police van , also i found law says every 700 yards spouse to valid camera sign but couldnt find today if i found again will reply with it. If anyone seen this please share otherwise i have to accept due to not able to proof my speed.

[ismail.ilgin]

eldrich said:

Let's get this straight,

You regularly do 40 in a 30 zone, there is a disused speed camera there so you are happy to do 40 in a 30 zone because you know the camera isn't working. One day the plod (or associated people) put a mobile speed camera in the 30 zone next to the unused fixed camera. You get caught. you are now complaining that it's unfair that they didn't warn you there was a working mobile camera there on that day so you were unable to modify your usual 40 to a legal 30....

Is that right?

If so then I suggest if you do not want to get a speeding ticket then you don't speed.

Its TOTALLY WRONG !!!
I AM USING TWICE A DAY RIGHT
I KNOW CAMERA NOT WORKING RIGHT
THIS MOBILE CAMERA SYSTEM COMING THERE EVERY WEEK BECAUSE OF THIS I NEVER SPEEDING BECAUSE I KNOW THEY CAN BE THERE AND NEVER BEEN 41 MPH

Also this road is tricky, road usual speed is 40 , and changing to 30 , they setup this system after 100 metres than this sign.

Edited by ismail.ilgin on Wednesday 4th July 13:30

[ismail.ilgin]

ElectricPics said:

An 16 year old document from an organisation that no longer exists.

Try this one.... http://library.college.police.uk/docs/NPCC/NPCC-(2...

Thanks i will check it tonight

[ismail.ilgin]

covboy said:

One of these ?

no not those one i share google location above.

Thanks

[ismail.ilgin]

Graveworm said:

http://www.ukspeedtraps.co.uk/rept2005.pdf
As for yellow within the Albeit Handbook of Rules and guidance for National Safety Camera Program for England and Wales we find:
Rule 4 Site conspicuity:
Fixed Speed camera housings MUST be coloured yellow either by fully painting both the front and the back ... and additionally .. Mobile vehicles from which enforcement may take place must be liveried and identifiable
as an enforcement vehicle.
The recommended colour is No. 386 Bold yellow

Edited by Graveworm on Tuesday 3rd July 20:25

If this law still exist i can be use thanks

[ismail.ilgin]

ALSO LITTLE REMINDER TO EVERYONE

I guess many people remember speed cameras before was dark blue or green like trees, many people complaint to the court and they change the LAW

Many years before has clamping the car exist and many people like mafia doing this job. Its happened to me, i went to one of my customer from back yard of shop knock the door for asking where i can park my car, 3 people i seen behind me run to my car one of them clamping another one cut my way to go my car, and i paid £250 to release it. But many people complaint to the court what happened? No more Clamping car its against to law now.

Speed cameras purpose prevent to accident and must be setup critical points of the road, i totally agree to that. But mobile camera system i believe is totally is TRAP and MUST BE REMOVE FOREVER.

Thats why i open this topic.

In here matter is NOT i was going 41 in 30 mph road, matter is how we can fight with this trap?

EVERYONE FORGETTING COMMUNITY REAL POWER.



ALSO many road speed limit is 60 mph but i never go more than 50 in those road because if i drive around 60 mpg probably will do accident because 60 is to much for this road, same is road i drive 30 is so slow for this road, who ever adjust this laws spouse to be do better job, if they cant as a community we have to help them to do that.

Edited by ismail.ilgin on Wednesday 4th July 13:35

Edited by ismail.ilgin on Wednesday 4th July 13:57